Re: a discussion on OIT

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
wrote:

>
> We spoke about this earlier on the list --satemization
> seems to be a spontaneous phenomenon.

I recall it differently. Piotr argued that the Satem group
represents a proper genetic grouping, for which see
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/17078 ,
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/19177 ,
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/27876 ,
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/13075 ,
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/13057 ,
and http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/messages/
44678?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1 .

> It happened in Franco and Ibero Romance. In Italian and
> English there was "chentumization" e.g. Italian cento,
> English church, etc.

The change seen in Italian 'cento' isn't comparable to the
Satem change, for it's conditioned by the frontality of 'e',
while the Satem change was unconditioned.

> I think Iraqi Arabic also has "chentumization" e.g.
> kalb > chalb
> So centum represents the more archaic form and satem
> the innovation

Naturally. One would never expect an affricate to change
into a stop.

David