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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> On 2008-05-24 08:53, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > You need to apply 2 Axes to arrive to well define 'THE RIGHT'
> > and 'the LEFT'
>
> Comrades,
>
> I will apply one Axe, but a sharp one, to lop off this rambling
> thread. I hereby declare it OT and demand its termination. We have
> discussed the IE words for 'right' and 'left' before, and that's what
> Cybalist is for.
> Thye present course of the discussion has nothing to do with
> linguistics, IE or any other thing of interest to the group. You may
> post your closing remarks but otherwise please leave politics alone.
>
The terms 'left' and 'right' in politics, as is well-known has to do
with where that party should have been seated in the first French
parliament. Therefore it is wrong to apply either of those two
epithets to the Nazi or Communist party, because as soon as they got
the chance, they were sitting all over the place. Those people did not
place themselves relative to something else in the world, as far as
they were concerned, they *were* the world.
Which is a 'continental' outlook. They way I see it, the real
ideological battle is between the 'sea' party and the 'land' party.
The former is for mix and openness, the latter for control and
absolutism. The former was open ports and open seas, the latter want
great railroads and roads, both desires are based on the geography of
their homeland, and the way they see security and control is based on
that too. Ports don't demand control of very much territory, roads do.
'Michael Kohlhaas' could never have taken place in England, the
initial problem which drives the whole story could not have occurred
so the moral dilemmas facing the protagonists would not be relevant.
The same goes for attitudes towards the sea, obviously the crew of the
Estonia were not coast people (which the Russians had eliminated),
they sailed the Estonia like a Russian would drive a truck. An the
attitude was 'if someone or something threatens me, threaten back with
twice the force'. You don't do that to the sea, as every coast person
knows.
Problem is, ultimately the ideology of the sea people is
self-defeating. Their ports will be closed by people who believe in
control, and thy have nothing to offer by way of resistance. The
Veneti are gone, the British empire is gone and I have my fears about
the remaining openness.
Torsten