From: tgpedersen
Message: 58759
Date: 2008-05-21
>I agree. I was talking about the general case.
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh if only that were true, but it is not, and sometimes
> > > it proves necessary to haul a madman out of the building
> > > in a straightjacket.
> >
> > This haulage should be performed by a corps of mad-haulers who
> > can not suspected of any bias and partisanship in the assessment
> > of his wrongness.
>
> No, that's not necessary. Since the list is privately owned
> the owner can haul off anybody he likes. No question about
> bias comes up when one hauls a trespasser out of his own house,
> does it? We accept that one may invite into his own house, or
> exclude from it, anyone he pleases and on any basis he pleases,
> do we not?
> > > > Use that Argument in place to qualify an ideology as BAD, andI think I know what I was talking about.
> > > > based on this to qualify the related people as being BAD.
> > >
> > > I think it's usually adequate to qualify the ideology as
> > > simply stupid,
> >
> > How do you do that without a common frame of reference?
>
> If you're asking how that is to be done in the great big world,
> then that's a difficult question, and one off topic, but we're
> talking only of cybalist,
> where it's very easy: Piotr owns theExactly.
> group and his frame of reference works just fine for me.
> > > and ask that its discussion be taken someWould you like the one you live in right now to collapse like
> > > place else, withholding comment, if possible, about its
> > > proponent, and there certainly never being justification
> > > for commenting on his family or nation.
> >
> > Unfortunately, that ideology might be what upholds the group
> > of the proponent in question, and giving up the belief will
> > make it crash.
>
> Of course, but why should the rest of us care? I don't like
> nations myself, and would love to see them collapse every one.
> > Look what happened in the socialist block after they gave upIn the previous paragraph you were talking about the world at large.
> > the doctrine. It's all more complicated than you would like
> > to believe.
>
> What do I believe? I'm talking only about cybalist, which is
> not the world or even a nation, and so much less complicated
> it is, and about Piotr, obliquely, who is not a world leader.
> Yahoo owns cybalist and extends to Piotr the right to run it
> any way he likes, and I myself am quite content with Piotr's
> frame of reference, which is sufficiently close to my own for
> my own purposes here. I encourage him to impose that frame
> just as ruthlessly as he possibly can.
> > Linguistics is a dangerous thing. Most East European nationsSo this analogy: 'No question about bias comes up when one hauls a
> > owe their existence to it.
>
> And the whole would probably be better off as one big nation,
> with such things as language, culture, and religion a purely
> private matter, as is proper for all states. Better yet, let
> the whole world be so united. Ethnic groups don't have the
> inherent right to monopolize regions, I don't believe.
> I strongly resent others presuming to set up borders betweenPresumably you don't lock your door either and have no firewall on
> me and potential employers, employees, or business partners;
> landlords or tenants; teachers or students; providers of raw
> materials, arts, crafts, services, or entertainment; or mates,
> friends, or sex partners.
> Where do they get the right?The same place the moderators got the right to moderate cybalist to
> P. S. Isn't (other people's) offtopic chat annoying?Those that disagree with you?