Re: a discussion on OIT: attention moderator

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Oh if only that were true, but it is not, and sometimes
> > it proves necessary to haul a madman out of the building
> > in a straightjacket.
>
> This haulage should be performed by a corps of mad-haulers who
> can not suspected of any bias and partisanship in the assessment
> of his wrongness.

No, that's not necessary. Since the list is privately owned
the owner can haul off anybody he likes. No question about
bias comes up when one hauls a trespasser out of his own house,
does it? We accept that one may invite into his own house, or
exclude from it, anyone he pleases and on any basis he pleases,
do we not?

> > > Use that Argument in place to qualify an ideology as BAD, and
> > > based on this to qualify the related people as being BAD.
> >
> > I think it's usually adequate to qualify the ideology as
> > simply stupid,
>
> How do you do that without a common frame of reference?

If you're asking how that is to be done in the great big world,
then that's a difficult question, and one off topic, but we're
talking only of cybalist, where it's very easy: Piotr owns the
group and his frame of reference works just fine for me.

> > and ask that its discussion be taken some
> > place else, withholding comment, if possible, about its
> > proponent, and there certainly never being justification
> > for commenting on his family or nation.
>
> Unfortunately, that ideology might be what upholds the group
> of the proponent in question, and giving up the belief will
> make it crash.

Of course, but why should the rest of us care? I don't like
nations myself, and would love to see them collapse every one.

> Look what happened in the socialist block after they gave up
> the doctrine. It's all more complicated than you would like
> to believe.

What do I believe? I'm talking only about cybalist, which is
not the world or even a nation, and so much less complicated
it is, and about Piotr, obliquely, who is not a world leader.
Yahoo owns cybalist and extends to Piotr the right to run it
any way he likes, and I myself am quite content with Piotr's
frame of reference, which is sufficiently close to my own for
my own purposes here. I encourage him to impose that frame
just as ruthlessly as he possibly can.

> Linguistics is a dangerous thing. Most East European nations
> owe their existence to it.

And the whole would probably be better off as one big nation,
with such things as language, culture, and religion a purely
private matter, as is proper for all states. Better yet, let
the whole world be so united. Ethnic groups don't have the
inherent right to monopolize regions, I don't believe.

I strongly resent others presuming to set up borders between
me and potential employers, employees, or business partners;
landlords or tenants; teachers or students; providers of raw
materials, arts, crafts, services, or entertainment; or mates,
friends, or sex partners.

Where do they get the right?

David


P. S. Isn't (other people's) offtopic chat annoying?