Re: An Italic Europe?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:

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> At 4:11:00 PM on Monday, May 12, 2008, tgpedersen wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57"
> > <dgkilday57@> wrote:
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> >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen"
> >> <tgpedersen@> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >>> How about Wend- names in Britain?
>
> >> Does Hans Kuhn mention any?
>
> > No, the Kuhn article I referred to mentions Wend- names
> > only in Northwestern Germany. In general Kuhn doesn't seek
> > to involve British toponyms, staying with appellatives and
> > personal names (presumably on the assumption that those
> > would have come along with the Saxon invasion).
>
> >> If there are none, the presumption is that there were no
> >> enclaves of peoples still calling themselves Veneti in
> >> Britain, all of them having been assimilated by Celts.
>
> > How about
> > Wendover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendover
>
> From Prim. Welsh *wïnn + duBr 'bright water(s)'.

Do you have some early instances?

> > Wentbridge
>
> 'Bridge across the river Went'; according to Watts, the
> river-name is from PrWelsh *winet or *wine:d, from Brit.
> *ueneto- or *uene:tio, akin to Welsh <gw^en> 'smile, mirth,
> favor', ON <yndi> 'charm, delight, joy', OE <wuno:dsam>
> 'pleasant', etc., all from PIE *wen- 'desire, strive for'.
> The idea would appear to be 'pleasant (stream)' or the like.

And so, it has nothing to do with *Weneto-, the people?

> [...]
>
> > Do the various places in Winter- have a good etymology?
>
> Yes. In names like <Winterbourne> and <Wintersett> the
> first element refers to the season ('stream that runs in
> winter', 'fold used in winter'); in names like <Winterton>
> and <Winteringham> it goes back to a masculine name <Wintra>
> or *<Winter>. These two types cover just about everything.

Erh, hm.
And this proves they had nothing to do with *Weneto-?
What's that kind of stream which runs in Winter and not in Summer?


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