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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
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> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > I know there is a lacuna in the archaeological record
> > corresponding to the devastated wasteland after the Hunnic etc
> > invasions, so its convenient to assume Slavic arrival in the next
> > layer, but is there not a possibility that the areas were
> > repopulated ftom the few survivors?
>
> ****GK: The classical Slavic cultures of the 6th
> century (Prague, Penkivka, Kolochyn) all go back to
> the "Kyivan culture" of the 2nd-5th c. None could have
> developed from Chernyakhiv. That is a simple
> archaeological fact. As is the likelihood that
> survivors were incorporated.*****
>
Gol/a,b: The Origin of the Slavs, a Linguist's view, p.290
'Among the Germanic tribes on the amber-trade route there is an
ethnicon which seems to be connected etymologically with a historical
Polish toponym: Helisii, which probably corresponds to the toponym
Kalisía on Ptolemy's map, which in its turn is represented by Pol.
Kalisz (*Kalis^I), an old city on the Prosna River, a left tributary
of the Warta River in western Poland. Lehr-Spl/awin´ski (O pochodzeniu
i praojczyz`nie...., 142-43) considers this toponym to be originally
Slavic (from the nominal root kal- 'mud' + the suffix -is^I, the
latter allegedly popular in place-names, e.g., Brodzisz, Ste,pisz,
Mie,kisz, etc.). But if wo accept that the Germanic ethnicon Helisii
reflects a germanized (with Lautverschiebung) form of an earlier
non-Germanic (Celtic?) ethnicon (*Ke/o(:)li:s- ?), then the Polish
toponym Kalisz could be a possessive adjective derived from that
earlier non-Slavic ethnicon, according to the pattern: *Ko:li:s- + jo-
> Kalis^I (cf. the possessive toponyms derived from ethnica with the
same suffix like Niemcy > Niemcza, a town in Silesia; Siling-i >
S´le,z.a, a river in Silesia, about which see below, etc.). We should
remember that Kalisz was an important settlement on the amber-trade
route, and during the domination of the Celtic Lugii north of the
Sudeten some Celtic groups (garrisons ?) may have controlled such
places (About a possible Celtic etymology of Kalisz (or rather
Helisii, in my opinion) see K. Moszyn´ski, Pierwotny zasia,g...
267-68; see also S, Rospond, "Pierwotna nazwa Kalisza," Slavia
Occidentals, v. 20 (1960, pp, 133-38), where Kalisz is interpreted as
PS1. *Kalis^c^a 'swamps' (cf. Ptolemy's Kalisía). This latter
etymology seems to be well-substantiated by the primary topography of
Kalisz.).'
No matter what the original etymology of the name, the problem is how
do we explain that the name survived in an unshifted form in
Przeworsk-land? It has to have been used by some group other than
Germanic until the Slavs arrive so they can transfer the unshifted
name to them.
Torsten