Re: Re[2]: [tied] Re: beyond langauges

--- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [tied] Re: beyond langauges
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> > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [tied] Re: beyond langauges
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > >
> > > <...>
> > >
> > > > > Like so many, you can find so many reasons
> for
> > > > > putting off stating your
> > > > > position.
> > > > >
> > > > > I ask again: has it been proven that PIE and
> PAA
> > > are
> > > > > related - in your
> > > > > opinion?
> > > >
> > > > My opinion is that they are very likely
> related
> > > but I
> > > > don't see proof positive yet and if it started
> me
> > > in
> > > > the face I might not recognize it.
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > Patrick:
> > >
> > > Define the characteristics of "proof positive"
> for
> > > you in this context if
> > > you would.
> > >
> > > ***
> > I'd need to see reconstructions with sound
> > correspondences that work for all proposed
> languages
> > at the level of Nostratic and AA. We can't do that
> yet
> > because we don't even have reconstructions for all
> the
> > language families. How can you work with AA if you
> > aren't even sure what it is? The same can be said
> of
> > Altaic. In any case, comparing IE and AA is not
> enough
> > --what about Uralic, Altaic et al? You have to be
> thorough.
>
>
> ***
>
> Patrick:
>
> > > > > I ask again: has it been proven that PIE and
> PAA
> > > are
> > > > > related - in your
> > > > > opinion?
>
> Forget about Nostratic for a moment. For PAA
> consider only Proto-Semitic.
>
> ***

Opinion and faith are one thing, facts supporting a
conceptual framework are another. The framework has
even been created yet and the facts to support such a
relationship are still out there. I'd have to say not
yet because AA as a reconstructed language acceptable
to the majority of AA scholars does not exist yet
--AFAIK. I don't dismiss attempts to link IE and AA
and, in fact, support them because my belief is that
all languages are ultimately related but it's a belief
still unsupported by facts. Get past all the mass com
stuff and you'll get there.



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