From: tgpedersen
Message: 58216
Date: 2008-04-30
>That would be the Southern Slavs, known as Antes?
>
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> Zarubintsi was broken up by
> > > Sarmatian and Aorsan assaults in the mid-1rst c.
> > CE.
> >
> > Nasty Aorsans. Are you sure it was that late?
>
> ****GK: There were earlier assaults (in the mid-1rst
> c.BCE) by Yazigi, co-ordinating with Burebista's
> Dacians (who then burned the Greek city-state of
> Olbia). But the Zarubinians recouped (as did the
> Olbians). The Yazigi then migrated to Hungary. The
> vacuum was apparently filled by Aorsans streaming
> across the Don and Dnipro. Their furious attacks on
> central Zarubinia destroyed most of the fortresses on
> the middle Dnipro. This is generally dated as ca. 50
> CE. By the end of the century Aorsans (and other
> Iranic nomads) buried their dead in the old territory
> of the Zarubinians as`far north along the Dnipro as
> the Ros' basin and even further.****
> >
> >
> > > As a result, its western component (in the area of the
> > > upper Pripet), largely C/I/Yast. with Milograd
> > > admixture, migrated south to Galicia, where it mixed
> > > with incoming Przeworkers and Dacians.
> >
> > OK, so this coud be the later Slavs, or rather Wends?
> > Did you realize you just said 'migrated south'?
>
>
> *****GK: Some archaeologists did think that the mixed
> culture which evolved out of the interplay of
> Przeworkers, Dacians, and incoming Zarubinians (in
> Galicia) after 50 CE (called the "Zubretska" culture)
> was Slavic, but Shchukin's analysis has likely
> eliminated the scenario. He argued very persuasively
> that the "Slavic" settlements allegedly found there
> (originally dated as of the 3rd and 4th century) were
> actually much later, and contained archeological
> "rubbish" from earlier epochs. Zubretska BTW changed
> into Chernyakhiv in Gothic times...
> And the Zarubinians of the Pripet did migrate
> southward. This is proved 100%.The evidence is
> overwhelming.*****
> >
> >If we accept the concept of 'ethnic goulash' in principle (and I
> > > The vacated territory was subsequently occupied by Welbarkers(a
> > > century later). Central "north Bastarnia" was nearly
> > > wiped out by 50 CE and its population dispersed
> > > towards the north and northeast. Some may have reached
> > > Finnic territories,but most just melted into the
> > > "BaltoSlavic area".
> >
> > Could they be the Eastern Balts?
>
> ****GK: Shchukin argued that the ethnic "goulash" (if
> I can so call it) was proto-Slavic. There were "Balts"
> or "Baltoslavs", Germanics, Celto-Venetics, "Thrakoid"
> Scythian remnants. Somehow, out of this Slavic
> emerged.****
> > >