Re: ...uveg <-> uiag&...

From: tolgs001
Message: 58040
Date: 2008-04-25

>ü is the fusion of u+j
>é is more the result of u umlauted by i
>like in kéz "skin" < *kuti

No: kéz /ke:z/ means "hand." (Along with kezem /'kae-zaem/
"my hand", kezed // kezek the plural of kéz.)

"Skin" (and "leather") is bör /bö:r/. And hártya "hide". Szarúhártya
"cornea".

(In ASCII, it is spelled bôr or with a Tilde
on the o, and in real spelling with two accents.)

>*ujeg remains the most probable proto-form

Pls. look up the protoforms of üvölt "to howl", övé /ö-ve:/ "her/his",
öv "belt", övezet /'ö-vae-zaet/ "belt" (as in "<color> belt" in martial
arts).

(And I insist on the "internal" Hungarian thing, that, like in Turkish,
ü alternates with ö. E.g. standard Hungarian törölközö (the last one
is long) "towel" and dialectally (in Transylvania) türülközö. Hence
I'd take into consideration the öv- words too. And ö > ü along with
the palatalization of /j/, as I mentioned, jön > gyün, is typical of
the Hungarian spoken between the Danube and Austria (in Dunán
túl = Pannonia). Another example from the opposite area, the
easternmost one, in the land of the Szeklers: gürüzdölés / görözdölés,
a dialectal word, extant in these variants, with ü-ü-ö and ö-ö-ö, which
better fits the standard Hungarian harmony. The tendency ö > ü,
o: > u:, ö > ae, é > i: is typical of the regional Hungarian spoken
in Transylvania (in the sense of the "greater" Transylvania, i.e.
also comprising areas around Debrecen et al. beyond the Romanian
border. The area where this tendency in local Hungarian is strong
coincides with the dialectal area where the cohabiting Romanians
have their (1) uiaga and (2) iaga. These details you won't find in
at hu.wikipedia.org and not even at ro.wikipedia.org, where the
article regarding the dialectal types of Hungarian are better treated.)

George