Re: Magyar uveg

From: tolgs001
Message: 58038
Date: 2008-04-25

> I found three possible (or close) matches:
>
> Stand. Hung. Trans. Hung. meaning (SH)
>
>elsüllyed}

(el- + súly /Su:j/ (the /l/ is mute) "weight, load, burden" > verb
süly- +
verbal conjugation ending -jed {I -jedek, II -jedsz, III -jed, plural:
I -jedünk,
II -jedtek, III. .jednek}) (The verbs in Hung. are put in the indicative
present 3rd pers. singular. An infinitive would be the root + the suffix
-ni: elsülyjedni. But official Hung. texts refrain from stating the verb
in this form.)

>elsëjed

?!? (The letter <ë> is unknown in the Hungarian alphabet.)

>kívül küjjel beyond, outside

kívül (outside) okay, but *küjjel ?!? (beyond: túl! e.g. Pannonia is also
called Dunán túl = verbatim "beyond the Danube")

>süllyed sëjed to drop, to fall

süllyed as elsüllyed without the prefix; *sëjed (no <ë>, as above)

>How was it?

Indeed, the verbal derivation of the noun súly reflects the /u:j/
conversion to /üj/. /u:j/ > /üj/

(Here, in súly, a strange kind of /u:j/ diphtong -- it has a long
/u:/,which in Romanian is impossible: vowel lengths are irrelevant,
unlike in Hungarian. In contrast, the diphtong in the verb süllyed
/'Sü-jaed/ or /'Sül-jaed/ contains a short /ü/. If the /ü/ is long,
then it has to be written with two accents égus. (Hence the ASCII
mess on various computer platforms.)

George

PS: I assume that such questions can be posted (in English) on to
the general Q & A page of the Hungarian wikipedia (at the end of
the list, with a new caption):

http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Tudakoz%C3%B3