Re: Magyar uveg

alexandru_mg3 ta nugatu-r:

>> You forgot to mention that Abaev gives *two* Hungarian forms: _üveg_
>> and _éveg_. The latter is used, AFAIK, by Székely Hungarians
>> (Transylvania).
>>
>> I don't see any problems with deriving _éveg_ [e:vEg_0] (?) from
>> something like *_a:b(a)g_ ~ *_a:ß(a)g_ << Iranian *_a:paka_. Cf.
>> Ossetic _marg_ 'poison' : Hungarian _méreg_ 'ts.', both ultimately from
>> Iranian _mar(a)ka_ 'death'.

> 3. Could you determine the original form : it was _éveg_ or _üveg_?

If I were a wizard (or lumberjack), I probably could/would.

> What is the first attestation of each of these forms in Hungarian?

I have no idea. Consult with some Hungarian etymological dictionary or
Hungarian text corpus.

> 4. if _éveg_ is the original form: Is regular that an é passed to ü in
> Hungarian? At least I'm not aware about this.

I have no idea -- I didn't mention anything of [e:] becoming [y].

> Another request, if you have Abaev. Could you quote all other Hungarian
> (and Ossetic) forms (if any) quoted by Abaev for the list of the words
> that I published here ?

You can do it yourself:

<http://www.allingvo.ru/LANGUAGE/etimolog_slovar.htm>

> Are you aware of any other words showing this regional _é_ or _ü_
> alternations for Hungarian?

I found three possible (or close) matches:

Stand. Hung. Trans. Hung. meaning (SH)

elsüllyed elsëjed to go down, to merge, to sink
kívül küjjel beyond, outside
süllyed sëjed to drop, to fall

> I will check tomorrow this possible regional alternation in Hungarian
> _é_ or _ü_ with my Hungarian friends too (hope to obtain a clear
> feedback from them).

How was it?


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