Re: Magyar uveg <-> Romanian uiag&

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tolgs001" <george_st@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > you don't see any because you compare with the actual
> Hungarian
> > > form
> > > > > üveg. Look, I already said that if the form has been

*uwega,

> > then
> > > the
> > > > > the stress shuold have been on "e" and the Romanian

speakers

> > > perceived
> > > > > the "uw" as long "u" which was reduced _naturaly_ in their
> > > language
> > > > to a
> > > > > neutral "u". That is, the "a" at the end of uiagã can be

the

> > > Romanian
> > > > > adaptation after sticlã, butelcã, ploscã what ever, thus

you

> > got
> > > a 3
> > > > > syllabic word which was rendered as *u-é-ga; the

stressed "e"

> > > yotacised
> > > > > to "ie" and the "ie" became "ia". I don't know the word, it
> is
> > a
> > > > > regionalism but I should say that the plural form

of "uiagã"

> > > is "uiege"
> > > > > as each other ord with "ia" ( iapa-iepe, iarna-ierni, mia-
> > miele,
> > > etc.)
> > > > > It will be strange for me to be a plural *uiage there....
> > > >
> > > > (Uiegi & iegi /d3/.) But otherwise bravo! Jos palaria.
> > > >
> > > > George
> > >
> > >
> > > George, Alex,
> > >
> > > 1. The stress e > ye is ENDED END OF ROMAN PERIOD
> > >
> > > 2. The stressed e>ea and o>oa (followed by a,e,&) is ENDED

after

> > the
> > > first wave of Slavic Loans (see Rosetti, IRL too on this topic)
> > >
> > > 3. see P'ES,TERA (<Sl.) versus
> > > SOARE, SEAR~A, CEAP~A, CEARC~AN etc...
> > >
> > >
> > > 4. P'ES,TERA : http://dexonline.ro/search.php?lexemId=42595
> > >
> > > 5. So There is no e>ye or e>ea ; o>oa in the Hungarian Loans
> in
> > > Romanian.
> > >
> > > Marius
> > >
> >
> > 6. And yes, Alex, you are right:
> > is uiaga~uiegi like iapa-iepe, iarna-ierni, mia-miele,
> >
> > ==> this should indicate you that this word is 'at least as

old

> > as' iapa-iepe, iarna-ierni, mia-miele
> >
> > See /peshter&/-/peshteri/ on the other hand...
> >
> > Marius
>
>
> I. Rosetti ILR : Elemente Maghiare in Limba Romana
>
> " e accentuat a ramas neatins : magh. mester > dr. mes,ter "
>
> " accented e retained unchanged magh. mester > dr.

mes,ter /meshter/"

>
> II. Rosetti ILR : Elemente Maghiare in Limba Romana
>
> "ü > i ülö > ilǎu" /il&u/
>
> Marius
>

7. > > > syllabic word which was rendered as *u-é-ga; the
stressed "e"

Alex, George,
Don't forget also that the ACCENT IS ON 'ü > 'ü-veg


Marius