From: tgpedersen
Message: 57933
Date: 2008-04-24
>(fromIt occurred to me that people die *after* they live. That means we
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_in_Antiquity ):
> 'The evolution of the power structure within the Germanic societies
> in Poland and elsewhere can be traced to some degree by examining
> the "princely" graves - burials of chiefs, and even hereditary
> princes, as the consolidation of power progressed. Those appear from
> the beginning of the Common Era and are located away from ordinary
> cemeteries, singly or in small groups. The bodies were inhumed in
> wooden coffins and covered with kurgans, or interred in wooden or
> stone chambers.
> Luxurious Roman-made gifts and fancy barbarian emulations (such as
> silver and gold clasps with springs, created with an unsurpassed
> attention to detail, dated 3rd century CE from Wrocl/aw Zakrzów),
> but not weapons, were placed in the graves. 1st and 2nd century
> burials of this type, occurring all the way from Jutland to Lesser
> Poland, are referred to as princely graves Lubieszewo type, after
> Lubieszewo, Gryfice County in western Pomerania, where six such
> burials were found'
>
> >
> > There is apparently nothing in the L.type graves of
> > other areas which can allow us to construe them as a
> > unified archaeological culture, let alone a
> > development of Przeworsk, EXCEPT IN THE AREA OF
> > PRZEWORSK ITSELF.
>
> That's not what I read in the sources. They say there was a
> remarkably uniform upper class (relatively to the local culture) but
> that it was heterogenous within itself.
>
>
> > But here is something for you, says the devil's
> > advocate:
> >
> > "in Siemiechów [Central Poland GK]a grave of a warrior
> > who must had taken part in the Ariovistus expedition
> > during the 70-50 BC period was found; it contains
> > Celtic weapons and an Alpine region manufactured
> > helmet used as an urn, together with local ceramics."
> > (Poland in Ant. website)
> >
> > This is a convincing argument for Przeworsk
> > participation in the Ariovist saga, of course, but the
> > "return" of the participant is to Przeworsk itself.
> > Can you find such graves in the other areas where the
> > L.type ones later emerge?*****
> >
>
> I am not sure I can save a putative 'Ariovistus goes to Denmark'
> scenario, given the time frame of the appearance of those graves,
> but I might save something like 'An Ariovistus successor goes to
> Denmark with the northern part of the upper crust a century later'.