Re: Clueless roolz...

From: george knysh
Message: 57908
Date: 2008-04-23

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > the suddenly emerging upper crust of the
> Przeworsk culture were
> > > deserters from the Mithridatic war, thus of
> rather heterogenous
> > > Black Sea extraction.
> >
> > GK: Am I right in surmising that you consider
> the
> > Lubieszewo princely graves to be "Przeworsk upper
> > crust"? Say yes or no before I continue.
>
> Yes (but now you're going to tell me otherwise?).


****GK: I already have (in part). The 6 L.type graves
of Lubieszewo itself are clearly a part of the Gustow
group, which is NOT PRZEWORSK but something
intermediary between Wielbark and Elbe. This is the
conclusion of professional archaeologists.

There is apparently nothing in the L.type graves of
other areas which can allow us to construe them as a
unified archaeological culture, let alone a
development of Przeworsk, EXCEPT IN THE AREA OF
PRZEWORSK ITSELF. If the situation of the standard
area (Lubieszewo) is repeated elsewhere, then the
"local element" would be defining in each particular
area. This can be checked. We already know the answer
for Lubieszewo proper (to repeat myself).
Your universal Przeworsk scenario is simply not true.

But here is something for you, says the devil's
advocate:

"in Siemiechów [Central Poland GK]a grave of a warrior
who must had taken part in the Ariovistus expedition
during the 70-50 BC period was found; it contains
Celtic weapons and an Alpine region manufactured
helmet used as an urn, together with local ceramics."
(Poland in Ant. website)

This is a convincing argument for Przeworsk
participation in the Ariovist saga, of course, but the
"return" of the participant is to Przeworsk itself.
Can you find such graves in the other areas where the
L.type ones later emerge?*****


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