>Of course is not Iulius because yu > gj of Proto-Albanian is ended
>end-of-the-Roman Period
>
> So in sec. X any Semi-Romanized-Albanoid named Iulius would have
>been already Gyula
Give up these non sequitur speculations! Those ethnic Turk regional
kagans living in the 11th century, and ruling from Alba Iulia, did not
have the Latin name Iulius. This was the mere pseudo-translation
(an adaption) of their names, whose real pronunciation we do not
know. We can only assume, based on knowledge of old Turkish of
the Oguz kind (corroborated with what has been written by con-
temporary Byzantine, Arab, Persian chroniclers, such as Constantin,
Simocatta, Kekaumenos, Kedrenos, ibn Fadlan, Masudi, Gardezi,
ibn Rusta, who left precious informations on those precarious
ever changing Turkish tribal configurations), that in their native
tongue they might have pronounced something like Yula or Gila.
(Besides, I've never seen that the "upper-crust" clan of the Dulos,
i.e. the Proto-Bulgar dinasty, might have influenced or not that
title. That Turkish name was initially a title. In a similar way, another
titler (a much higher rank), tarkhan, became an antroponym within
the Khazar and other Turkic dynasties.)
The Hungarian word and name Gyula is a mere LATE adaption to
the Hungarian language. Eight centuries ago, the oficial documents
and the chronicles didn't have today's spelling, Gyula, but Geula,
Gyyla and several others. In order to have Iulius, i.e., Julius as a...
Christian name, one had to be... baptized, first of all, and then to
belong to the Roman-Catholic denomination. In those times, Julius
didn't not belong to the Orthodox Christian Church's onomastics.
And in those times, those few ethnic Romanian leaders mentioned
starting in the 9th century in the Balkan area way till the 12th-13th
centuries in the Carpathian areas had typical Christian names of
Greek origin (such as Nicholas), but much more of typical Slavic
origin, and here and there some names that can be classified as
Turkic. This was valid until way into the 14th, 16th centuries, and
this is standard Romanian history stuff, of which any Romanian
school attending person in the secondary school should have
intus.
But most of you aren't able to put real taxonomic order in your mind
because of the pernicious influence by outsiders who have for
decade dominated mass-media and polluted general public
knowledge with distorted, exaggerated and unwarranted assertions
stemming from nearly lunatic mindsets.
To make such "judgments" and wild, illogic and facts ignoring
speculations as you and your ilk do is a mockery on such a
mailing-list where a hard-core of subscribers are real scientists,
have great, excellent scientific knowledge of whose quality you
won't ever be aware. If I were you I either shut the fugg up for
ten years and learn, or unsubscribe to this mailing list right
away.
>Also note that Romanian (<Latin) Alba-Iulia is Gyula-fehérvár
Alba Iulia is not of Romanian origin, you child. Alba Iulia is the
medieval Latin translation of Gyulafehervar (Gyula-Bolgrad,
i.e. Bolgrad, not Belgrad/Beograd). Until way into the 18th
and 19th centuries, official documents in Hungary, i.e. in
Transylvania as well, were written in Latin. So, it was customary
to adapt and/or translate in/to Latin names of people and
places, Janos was Ioannes, Miklos Nicolaus, Matyas Mathias,
Kolozsvar Clusium, Nagyvarad Waradinum, Laszlo Ladisla(u)s,
Imre Emmericus, Bela Adalbertus and myriads (thousands and
thousands) of such "adaptions" typical of Latin rendering all
over and throughout Europe - since Caesar's times until
recently, in the 19th and even the 20th century. An aspect you
ignore because nobody pointed it out to you in everyday's
trivial mass-media stuff. But it wasn't concealed either.
Romanians have RECENTLY adopted Alba Iulia because this
ARTIFICIAL Latin name (a mere translation from another
language) perfectly fits to Romanian, because Romanian is
as a Romance language as they come (and not "Dacian" or
"Tracian" or "Proto-Albanian" one). But traditionally Romanians,
both those living in Transylvania, where Alba Iulia was for
centuries its capital, and outside Transylvania called that city
B ä l g r a d /'b&lgrad/. And Romanians for many centuries
had no idea that Alba Iulia was erected on the ruins of the
ancient Roman city of Apulum (that bears the ethnonym of
a Dacian tribe called Apuli and living chiefly in the next-door
neighboring region Caras-Severin of the Banate). Romanians
got aware of that only gradually in the latest 2-3 hundred
years via few scholars among them who got the chance to
read and learn something on the ancient and medieval
history of their places.
Jumpin' tootin' blazes, this has been primitive school classes
stuff in Romania for the latest 150 years or so. Nothing
complicated, nothing new, nothing concealed -- plain Romanian
secondary school curriculum stuff. And you, clumsy awkward
poor soul thing of fantoms, assume that these words are
conveyed to you by a Hungarian barely being able to expect
the propitious moment to grab you and make goolash out of
you in a goolash bowl with hot peppers on a bonfire near
the tents by the river of Tissa. Oh my gosh, where the heck
are you, members of today's Academe and Alma Mater (among
them the venerable professor Dan Berindei. By the way, have
you ever heard of the Turkic populace, the Berendeys, who
also had some impact in the territory of today's Romania,
especially in Transylvania. The distinguished member of
the Academy, the above mentioned historian Berindei carries
in his second name the ethnonym of that lesser known branch
of the Oguzes, highly probable of Sabir extraction.)?!
>(Weißenburg in German & B&lgrad in Slavonic)
>
>ancient Dacian: Apulum
And pay heed to the purpose of this mailing-list: too much
and lengthy posting on "collateral", actually really off-topic
stuff (as is the history of the Turkic djilas/yulas chieftains
in Transylvania at the turn of the 10th/11th centuries), isn't
a commendable feat. I openly admit that I myself deserve
a four-week ban by the moderators for 2-3 postings of mine,
that contained mostly off-topic prose.
George