Re: On the ordering of some PIE rules

From: tgpedersen
Message: 57872
Date: 2008-04-23

>
> > Let me rephrase.
> > Can those objects which appear in the Lubieszewo graves be placed
> > in a morpho-temporal sequence such that preforms of them exist
> > already in pre-Roman Przeworsk non-princely graves (I'm trying
> > to sound like a German archaeologist here), or do they (or some of
> > them) appear to represent something new and hitherto unknown?
> >
> >
> > Torsten
>
> ****GK: One would have to study the objects very
> specifically. In truth, there is nothing in the Polish
> Wiki descriptions which suggests dramatic discoveries
> after such analyses, at least not in the actual six
> Lubieszewo princely graves discovered 100 years ago or
> so:
>
> http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubieszewo_(powiat_gryficki)
>
> We have inhumations in wooden chambers, covered or
> circled by stones, under kurgans. The mentioned
> objects are bronze wine goblets, silver and glass
> vases (with depictions of gladiatorial contests in
> Rome) and "many local products" (presumably of the
> type which would be found in non-princely graves). A
> "local Germanic dynasty" they say.
>


http://tinyurl.com/4cqyqb
'... ist ... das Elbgebiet nicht repräsentativ für die Gräber vom Typ
Lübsow. ... Bezüglich der fehlende Fürstengräber vom Typ Lübsow im
Rhein-Weser-Gebiet macht er darauf auifmerksam, dass sich dies nicht
unbedingt aus der Sozialstruktur erklären lässt; die römischen
Historiker sprechen nämlich von einem Adel auch dort. Der Verf. erhebt
somit die Frage, ob die Gräber vom Lübsow-Typ neben ihrer sozialen
Aussage auch eine Kulturelle Erscheinung seien.'
" ... the Elbe area [is] not representative of the Lübsow type graves
... Wrt. the the lack of princely Lübsow type graves in the
Rhine-Weser area [the author] points out that this cannot necessarily
be explained from the social structure; the Roman historians speak of
a nobility also there. The author thus raises the question whether the
Lübsow type graves beside their social statement might also be a
cultural phenomenon."


http://tinyurl.com/4ajzl8
'Lübsow-Gruppe
Gruppe germanischer Gräber des 1. und frühen 2. Jahrhunderts in
Nordböhmen, Großpolen, Pommern, Mecklenburg und Dänemark.'
"Lübsow Group
group of germanic graves of the 1st and early 2nd century in Norther
Bohemia, Malopolska, Wielkopolska, Mecklenburg and Denmark"


I don't think my scenario is in trouble here.


Torsten