>This is another folk Hungarian etymology
This is science, have a look at what Romanian scholars in Bucuresti,
Cluj, Timisoara, Iasi have written, you clueless, poor-educated
contemporary.
>and for Iza and Mara what are the Hungarian, Sumerian or Turkic
>Etimologies? :)
You are not the one in the position to make fun of anybody. I was
talking of Oas only. Where the heck did you learn your terrible
manners?
>Because you repeat exactly the Hungarian folk etymologies 'of
> [unspecified] Turkic origins' etc...:)
You have no idea, no professional education in this field, you can't even
read really scientific works in your language written by the creme de la
creme of the Romanian research. You are the prototype of the
"pafari$ti". You've read only pseudo-scholar stuff, with which generations
of people were polluted by the Commie regime and the epigons.
That's the tragic situation. Even today, mass-media offers much more
space and broadcasting minutes to the lunatic fringe, and genuine
scientific work is almost unknown to the general public.
I wouldn't have written these things, were you a mannered guy. For
anyone has the right to believe in what s/he desires. But if you are
misbehaving, and insist on being insolent, you deserve some blunt
words. In most cases you are clueless, have problems of comprehension,
and, on top of that, you dare insult gentlemen over here who represent
mountains of knowledge, such as some of the moderators of the list.
>I will wait for your /u/ from an /a/ study here
Poti sa astepti mult si bine. Pune-ti in aplicare propriu-ti indemn:
"pune mana pe carte".
>unfortunately for you the word inside uyag& is uy& 'water' not
>tsuic& 'brandy' :)
In your feverish fantasy.
>So noian 'imense waters' is not linked with uj&?
Who the heck cares? Legaturile tale-s la Dolhasca, zau asa.
>But Rosetti & Hasdeu have another opinion....do you know this? :)
It is you who tries to connect these three words, not Rosetti and Hasdeu.
>Why you don't publish an ILR in place of Rosetti, if you know
>better than him? :)
Don't you put Rosetti and Hasdeu in your talmes-balmes, they're
innocent as for your desperate attempt to link uveg-uiaga with
ui& and noian.
>At least you could read him before to write...something like toiag :)
You laugh in vain: toiag is phonetically, only phonetically, much closer
to uiaga then anything else has occurred to you in this respect.
> 'various reasons'....so vague...
Of course, vague: you don't deserve more since you can't grasp things
beyond a certain "horizon" of yours.
>1. semantic is from 'water'
>2. phonetic is uj&
Doesn't get into your mind that the subdialectal regional uiagä is a
piece of glass called bottle and as such it has nothing to do with "your"
uj&? Don't you understand, on the other hand, that it is an impossi-
bility for millions of Romanians living between Albania and Maramures
not to be aware of either uj& and uiaga, but to transmit an Albanoid
word (which means something different) to a tiny populace living at
the opposite periphery of the Romanian-speaking area?
Compare the spreading of Balkanoid-substrate-Romanian words
that really wandered that way. For example branza/brinza/brenze
and magura. (Some time ago other examples were given, some of
them by Pjotr.)
>apaka: is the Proto-Ossetic form: apa+ka:
Mai repeta de cinci ori.
>George, Gyula is obviously from Iuliu(s)
You've got no idea, you're clueless. It'd take years to get some real
knowledge in your mind. Look, get in touch with professor Ioan-Aurel
Pop, at the Univ. of Cluj-Napoca (who's the director of the Transyl-
vania Gazette, a trimestrial publication of history articles, chiefly,
in English and French). He'll give you stuff to read the scientific story.
("Gyula is obviously from Iuliu(s)" is terrible, so much ignorance
simply hurts. This guy doesn't even know that the name Iuliu was
adopted by Romanians only recently, as early as the beginning of
the 19th century. Most of the old Roman/Latin/Italic onomastics
was lost for more than a millennium.)
>yu > gy in Hungarian is a known phonetic transformation (quite an
>Albanoid transformation I would say :)).
Understand that gyula is a chieftain title, a Turkic one. In other terms,
it is a loanword in Hungarian. All scholar literature in the world will
explain this to you (and many more details linked to it). Just look it
up. You'll find lots of stuff by Googling, i.e. you don't need even to
go to the library.
> ...all you wrote above regarding Gyula are folk Hungarian
>etymologies..
You clueless fella. You have no idea whatsoever around this
notion yula or djila (described by Constantine the emperor), and
passed on in Hungarian in the form gyula, that incidentally became
an antroponym, first of all of Pecheneg chieftains in Transylvania.
> So "there are many possibility none of them from Romanian
> Iuliu "..and there is one "The most probable one" ..'of [an
> unspecified] Turkic origin' :)
Where the heck Romanian Iuliu? Don't you realize that in the
Orthodox Church onomastics there was no Iuliu? At least at
that time. And at the level of those who ruled and dominated
there were no Romanians at that time. The only speculation is
around Gelou, because of Anonymus's chronicle. Local *petty*
chieftains of sure Romanian descent are reported for a later
period, when Pechenegs completely vanished (were totally
assimilated, long after their leaders were finally subdued by
the Hungarian kings, as late as the beginning of the 12th c.
I recommend a good brief history of Transylvania by Mihai
Rusu you can download in PDF format).
> What are that supposed turkic words ? Wha was that Turkic language?
>
> Could you me more specific please?
>
> Why not from Sumerian? I saw on the net some references...
Stop being insolent. Look the stuff up. Don't expect me to
prepare for you MBs of information, which will anyhow be off-topic
on this list.
> Honestly, I like Yula variant because is 'so close' to Iuliu(s)...
Of course. And I like watching soccer matches, others like drinking
ale, others drinking whiskey others playing bowling.
> So from Yula, but in any case not from Iuliu, isn't it?
> Why? Not to have any Romance influence? :)
Esti mai nestiutor decat permite politia. Pai pana si dascalii tai
protocronisti
stiu argumenta mai destept.
> P>S> In this case better to destroy Gesta Hungarorum either, because
> it talks about Blachs in Transylvania? Poor Anonymous...
All this happens only in your fantasy.
>finnaly he has worked for the Hungarian King ...but he quoted (sorry
>he 'invented' in Hungarian terms) a presence that 'shouldn't exist'...
>
>You agree that he 'invented' ...isn't it?
Who the heck did write that? Me? On the other hand, neither he, nor
Kezai Simon, the chronicler number two, did mention in their texts that
"Iulius" was a Romanian and many other things you (not you, but those
who taught you with inculcating in you fake data) postulate here.
>and next you ask me why I have supposed that you are 'pro-Hungarian'
I knew from the very beginning, even before you subscribed to this
list (on mine I wouldn't have accepted you, especially after you insulted
the other Marius): it is because your mind is full of false knowledge and
tons of bias. And above all: because you're an ignorant. If you weren't
an ignorant, you'd realize that every, but every argument on my side
is in perfect harmony with the Romanian scientific side (much of my
knowledge stems from Romanian authors).