--- In
cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> On 2008-04-21 20:58, david_russell_watson wrote:
>
> > Johnny Cheung gives:
> >
> > avg | avgæ 'steklo', 'butylka' ('glass', 'bottle').
> > < *a:p(a)ka:; cf. M. yówGa, Y. yóuGo 'water' (< *a:paka:-,
> > IIFL II: 272), W. yupk, (?) yápak, Zaz. awke (f.!) 'water'
> > (Malmisanij 1987: 26b), MP a:bge:nag 'crystal, glass'
> > (borrowed in Sogd. ''pkyn-, ''pkyn'k, (Man.) ''pky(nyy)
> > '?'), Khz. 'bkyn(n)k 'glass'.
>
> Of course the root is IIr. *a(:)p- 'water' with the all-purpose
suffix
> *-aka-, so 'glass' = 'water-like'.
>
> Piotr
>
I. The Romanian word is ujag& 'bottle, (glass)'
II. The word is considered a loan from Hung. uveg 'id.'
III. But I 'cannot stop' myself not to link Romanian
uiag~a /ujag&/ 'bottle, (glass)' with Albanian /uj&/ 'water'.
A similar formation is present in Romanian /desag&/ 'bag, sack' a
Balkanic word presents also in Bulgarian and Greek.
Next Albanian uj& 'water' is considered to in linked also with
Romanian noian 'imense waters' (Rosetti, Hasdeu)
IV. Also, I cannot see also how an Ossetic /a/ (avg < *a(:)paka:) can
be loaned in Hungarian as /ü/
Taking Abaev's List
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Osset. arg "price" - Hung. ár "price", alku "trade";
Osset. avg "glass" - Hung. üveg "glass";
Osset. ävzist "silver" - Hung. ezüst "silver";
Osset. bud "smell" - Hung. büz "stench";
Osset. käsag "fish" - Hung. keszeg "bream";
Osset. marg "poison" - Hung. mereg "poison";
Osset. nymät "felt" - Hung. nemez "felt";
Osset. qád "tree" - Hung. gaz "forest";
Osset. sak'adax "a sleeve of the river " - Hung. szakdék "gorge";
Osset. säfyn "to clean" - Hung. seper "to sweep";
Osset. säv "wide" - Hung. sáv "strip", etc
We see that to an Ossetic a,á correspond Hung. á,a,e
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Osset. arg "price" - Hung. ár "price", alku "trade";
Osset. käsag "fish" - Hung. keszeg "bream";
Osset. marg "poison" - Hung. mereg "poison";
Osset. qád "tree" - Hung. gaz "forest";
Osset. sak'adax "a sleeve of the river " - Hung. szakdék "gorge";
Also we see that Hung.ü correspond to Ossetic u,i (that is reasonable)
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Osset. bud "smell" - Hung. büz "stench";
Osset. ävzist "silver" - Hung. ezüst "silver";
So an Ossetic a for a Hung ü is completly irregular
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Osset. avg "glass" - Hung. üveg "glass";
Also I couldn't find a Hungarian /ü/ loaned from an /a/ of any other
language ...
IV. Next Romanian /ujag&/ doesn't have inside the v of üveg
In addition it has an /y/ not present in the Ossetic form avg <
(*a(:)paka), word supposed to be the origin of the Hungarian word, so
of course /y/ is not/it wasn't present in the Hungarian form, if from
Ossetic.
Also Rom. e/accented > ye/ya was ended (->End of Roman Period & <-
Before the Slav Arrival in Balkans ), so long before the arrival of
Hungarians in Pannonia (898 AC), to can be considered here as a
possible source for the Romanian /y/ in uiag~a if from üveg.
So if I put together üveg with ujag& (it's impossible, of course,
to not link each-other) I can easy derived :
Rom. ujag& > OldHung. uj-wa-ga [uj>ü, w>v, a>e] > Hung. ü-ve-g
But I cannot obtain Rom. ujag& from Hungarian üveg (if from
Ossetic avg < a(:)paka:)
Marius