The explanation of SSA is from E.Itkonen 1973.
Itkonen made his suggestion in an atmosphere where repeated attempts
had failed to explain a supposed substitution of PreAryan **-ks^- =>
PreF *-ks- for which there are no parallels. Itkonens explanation is
the construction of a genius in the belief that the quite transparent
loan etymology was impossible. Itkonens suggestion has despite its
excellence been critisised as far fetched.
The plausible substitution of the IE original was found independently
by Asko Parpola and Jorma Koivulehto in 1999 and they published it
together in Finnish only a year or two before SSA part 3 was
published.
The innovation was based on:
1) Proto-Iranian must have retained the affricate manner of
articulation longer than the palato-alveolar point of articulation.
Otherwise the Nuristani pronounciation [ts] would not be possible.
2) A thus reconstructed Proto-Iranian alveolar *[ts] could not have
been substituted by a palato-alveolar c' because Finnic never mixed
palatalized an non-palatalized sounds. Equally there was no affricate
*[ts] NORE WAS THERE A SEQUENCE *[ts] in Pre-Finnic at the time.
Therefore the substitution with /-ks-/ is quite probably the closest,
and there are parallells for it (see <maksaa> in the file and <paksu>
in the litterature below).
The etymology was also published by Koivulehto in English in
Koivulehto, Jorma: Finno-Ugric Reflexes of North-West Indo-European
and Early Stages of Indo-Iranian. In: K. Jones-Bley, M.E. Huld & A.
della Volpe (eds.), Proceedings of the Eleventh Annual UCLA Indo-
European Conference, Los Angeles June 45, 1999 (= The Journal of
Indo-European Studies; Monograph Series No. 35). Washington, D.C., S.
2143. on p.36;
and on page 255 in Carpelan, Christian; Parpola, Asko & Koskikallio,
Petteri (eds.): Early Contacts between Uralic and Indo-European:
Linguistic and Archeological Considerations. Helsinki (Mémoires de la
Societé Finno-Ougrienne *242*) 2001.
SSA must have considered the etymology before publication because it
has entered into a footnote, without an assessment as to its
propability.
Jouppe
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> It's an interesting and useful list. I have a question about the
> numbers kahdeksan 8, and yhdeksän, 9. SSA seems to have a slightly
> different explanation. See message...
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