Re: Not "catching the wind " , or, what ARE we discussing?

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From: "jouppe" <jouppe@...>
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Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Not "catching the wind " , or, what ARE we discussing?


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
>
> At 5:05:59 AM on Thursday, April 17, 2008, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> >>> How do you then derive Gmc. *sal-t- from IE *sh2el-?
>
> >> I've seen no ev. the same rules apply to liquids. It's
> >> more likely that there's contamination with the adj.
> >> 'salty' with d>t, as part of similar changes in IE
> >> branches specifically for this word.
>
> > I haven't looked up the ON, but Danih has
>
> > salt "salt"
> > salt "salty"
>
> > and the -t (< PIE *-d, cf German -s) is the NeutNomAcc
> > suffix, so the meaning might have been "salziges".

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All forms of the adjective SALT carry the -t-, not only the neutrum
of the strong adjective. Also the weak declination has it.
Icke bara smyret aer salt, thaen salte fiskren aer ock salter til
smaksens.
Thus it is not the NeutNomAcc suffix of the strong adjective. At
least not synchronically. The whole development you suggest is odd.
Do you have a parallel for it?

I don't see why the *-d- in PreGmc. *k^un-d- and *sh2el-d- wouldn't
simply be a d-enlargement of the root, as suggested by one
contributor.
Jouppe
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Patrick:

I believe it quite possible that the suffix is the residue of an ancient
compound meaning 'grain (of salt)'.

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>
> ON <salt> 'salt', <saltr> 'salty'. The noun is from PGmc.
> *saltam: Goth., OSax., OFris. <salt>, OE <sealt>, OHG
> <salz>. The adj. is OE <sealt>, OFris. <salt>, OHG <salz>.
> Oh, and there's a verb 'to salt': ON <salta>, Goth.
> <saltan>, OE <sealtan>, OHG <salzan>.
>
> Brian
>