Re: The Two Faces of PIE *K^

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
To: "Patrick Ryan" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] RE: The Two Faces of PIE *K^


> At 4:24:53 AM on Wednesday, April 16, 2008, Patrick Ryan
> wrote:
>
> > Rather fortuitously, we have been discussing to words,
> > 'dog' and 'fast' which reveal some important structural
> > strategies of pre-PIE word-formation.
>
> > As Pokorny records them, they are virtually the same if
> > one assumes 'laryngeals':
>
> > 1) *k^A-, 'gray'; and
>
> > 2) *k^A(H)-, 'fast'.
>
> As Pokorny records them, (1) is *k^as-, and (2) is
> non-existent.

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Patrick:

Inelegantly stated on my part. You can hardly be expected to get the point.

'gray': in *2. k^ei- and *6. k^er- (pre-PIE *k^Á = PIE *k^é)

'fast': in *ke:i- (not *kéH(1)i- but rather *k^(h)e:- from pre-PIE *khe:-),
*k^eibh/gh-

*k^as- is from *k^(e)Há(:)-s(V)-

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> [...]
>
> > I assert that every correctly reconstructed root beginning
> > with *k^A [no lengthened vowel!] is based on a morpheme
> > meaning 'gray/shadow' primarily, and, 'other',
> > secondarily.
>
> > I also assert that every correctly reconstructed root
> > beginning with *k^e:- [and not subsequently shortened to
> > *e] is based on a morpheme meaning 'deer, fast'.
>
> > The reason we have *k^e:- is because it derives from
> > *k^he-; in giving up its aspiration, the vowel was
> > lengthened compensatorily. So every naturally occurring
> > *ke:- is, according to conventional notation: *k^(h)e:-.
>
> > Now, to falsification.
>
> You have it backwards. First you need to make a case for
> these hypotheses. Absent such a case, there's nothing to
> refute.
>
> Brian

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Patrick:

Again, thank you.

A sensible and intelligent critique.

I differ. And I have - even without the copious extra-PIE evidential data.

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