Re: Origin of *marko- Margus murg ma'rgas amurg

On 2008-04-16 21:21, alexandru_mg3 wrote:

> 1. First I didn't say that *x can be derived from g.
> First also, I can show you an intervocalic g versus an
> intervocalic h ( having the same origin) : so the situation is more
> complex in Germanic that that one sthat you present here

I suppose you are alluding to Verner's Law, but since VL is quite
irrelevant here, I don't know what you are driving at.

> 2. Secondly, I didn't put in question k > x : (this should be obvious
> because I quoted Pokorny and Matasovic *marko) => is you that repeat
> again something obvious for nothing

I'm sick of such silly games. You wrote (repeatedly) that the Germanic
'horse' word was *marko-, with *k (you even claimed that some Germanic
language was responsible for changing borrowed *g into *k). You just got
it all wrong.

> 3. Third : I have talked about loans.
>
> 4. Fourth, Based on what you assert that k>x and g>k etc...
> happened 'in the same time'? I can tell you: based on nothing...

I didn't say they happened simultaneously. On the contrary, there is
good evidence (connected with Kluge's Law) that *k > *x took place well
_before_ *g > *k. If the ordering had been reverse, all PIE *g's would
have ended up as PGmc. *x. What I said was that no consonant can undergo
Grimm's Law twice. That's because the various parts of GL don't feed
their output into one another.

> 5. Fifth,
> a loaned k- after k>x finished was loaned as what ?

As the only velar stop that (pre-)Proto-Germanic had at that time --
/g/, soon to be devoiced into /k/.

> or a loaned g- after g>k finished was loaned as what ?

As voiced velar /G/, typically (one of its major allophones soon became
[g]); only exceptionally as /k/ (Goth. Kre:ks, etc. for 'Greek').

> So I disagree here....'Border Folks'? Border Folks of Who?
> The Germanic Tribes were very dispersed...(see Tacitus) also I
> don't think that they have a Global Germanic 'Conscience' at that
> time to refer to the Germanic Borders of All the Germans...

George has commented on that already, and I have nothing to add.

> And 'Certainly'? They translated their names for you?

They adopted a name whose etymology is completely transparent. I don't
have to ask for a translation; the name is self-explanatory.

> 'Horse-men' don't sound irrelevant...

They sound wrong. The "Marco-" part has the wrong Germanic consonant. It
is _not_ the Germanic 'horse' word. Can't you see that?

Piotr