Re: Horse Sense (was: [tied] Re: Hachmann versus Kossack?)

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 57236
Date: 2008-04-13

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Subject: Re: Horse Sense (was: [tied] Re: Hachmann versus Kossack?)


> Chinese for quick, rapid is *kwai4 < *khwos
> It has a very strange look-alike with H1ekwos.
> I think it may well be a LW from IE into Chinese.
> Apparently Chinese heard kw.
> But in *kuH2on "dog" they heard two syllables : quan2 < kuhon.
> Arnaud
> ============


There is a steady association of the segment *k^(h)e- and 'fast' in PIE.

It should also be noted that Pokorny's listing has palatalized *k^, an
important detail to analyzing the relationships.

I propose that early PIE words for 'deer', like our 'hind', contained the
segment *k^(h)e- so that *k^em-, 'hornless', should be regarded as a
generalization of 'hind' rather than 'hind' being derived from 'hornless'.
In my opinion, this presupposes a PIE **k^(h)em-, 'doe'.

What application does this have to the present discussion?

I believe that *ek^(-)wo-s is compounded of of the initial segments *e- (cf.
*ai-ra:, 'kind of grass'), '*grass' + *k^(h)e-, 'deer', so that the compound
should have the core meaning of 'grass-deer'.

If this is true, then it indicates importantly, that PIE's discovered horses
long after they had become familiar with deer.

A corollary is that the PIE-speaking ethnos could not have been situated on
the grassy plains of Eurasia originally because deer are predominantly

This would also be of interest to the mythic importance of the deer to later
plains-dwellers, where they found horses rather than deer. Old habits die