Re: Hachmann versus Kossack?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> Kuhn points out a couple of fun facts about
> > the Wend- and
> > Welsch- names:
> >
> > 1) They don't overlap.
> >
> > 2) There aren't any in central NWBlock territory,
> > Holland and south.
> >
> > Kuhn takes 1) to mean that Wend- and Welsch-
> > designated the same
> > ehtnic group. I think they may be two groups.
>
> ****GK: I agree. Does he have any information about
> the use of "Welsch" or equivalents in Eastern Germany
> and further? I haven't checked this thoroughly, but I
> suspect that beyond the Visla the only "Welsh" would
> be Romans/Romanians/Moldavians (via Goths and Slavs).
> An isolated Celtic spot would be interesting if
> found.****
>

Sorry to take so long in answering this question. Kuhn mentions the
Welsch- toponyms or clusters thereof one by one, and my limited
knowledge of German geography means I have to find many of them on
the map before I know what he is talking about. At the same time he
keeps referring to a earlier article of his I couldn't find, since
he refers to his various other articles in 'Kleine Schriften' by
volume and page number, whereas I had them stored by title; that
I've changed now. I'll be back on this.

> 2)
> > seems to mean that
> > whoever lived in central NWBlock they were never
> > colonized to the
> > degree that their settlement stood out from the rest
> > so much that they
> > were named for the ethnicity of their inhabitants.
>
> ****GK: Or that the integral old NWB language survived
> for centuries in isolated pockets, like the Merya in
> Central Russia?****
> >

That's exactly what Kuhn says too. In geographically isolated areas
he finds unshifted versions of names the Grimm-shifted version of
which he finds in more accessible regions.


Torsten