From: Rick McCallister
Message: 56964
Date: 2008-04-07
>Weren't there cases where the Wendish nobility decided
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> > <gknysh@...> wrote:
> > > --- george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
> > > > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > And by "Wenden" etc. do they mean Slavic
> or
> > something
> > > > > > else?****
> > > > >
> > > > > Erh, they? As I understand it, most if not
> all
> > (you never know)
> > > > > of the people who named those places are
> dead.
> > Perhaps you
> > > > > want to reconsider your statement about an
> > Atlantic - Baltic
> > > > > Veneti connection?
> > >
> > > ****GK: My earlier statement doesn't deny this
> > > (following Hubert and others). But I would
> prefer
> > > reviewing more recent possibilities first.****
> > > >
> > > > GK: The big Slav push of the 6th century
> reached
> > > > beyond the Elbe, and into Thuringia (outlier
> > > > groups).
> > > > So there would be nothing strange if some
> > isolated
> > > > elements got as far as Minden.
> > >
> > > GK: Another obvious possibility to consider is
> > > whether these Western "Wends" represent a much
> > later
> > > colonization from the eastern marches,
> > transplanted
> > > there in the context of some
> > military/administrative
> > > activities of the 10th-13th centuries. Something
> > > similar to the "Torki" of the Ros' river south
> of
> > > Kyiv, or the "Pecheneg"(their name) villages in
> > > Galicia. Local investigators in the Minden area
> > might
> > > have theories. Was there anything published in
> > Germany
> > > similar to Ukraine's "History of the towns and
> > > villages of the Ukrainian S.S.R." (a massive
> > 26-volume
> > > undertaking of the late '60's and early '70's
> > which
> > > has extremely interesting details of local
> history
> > and
> > > prehistory?
> >
> >
> > Kuhn does consider it and brackets out, on the
> side
> > of caution, all
> > Wend- names in Thuringia and also in Hesse. The
> rest
> > he views as safe.
> > I'll get back to the article tomorrow, it's
> getting
> > too late for
> > translating from German.
> >
> > Moving Wends to Western Germany I think would have
> > made us much sense
> > to German administrators as to American
> > administrators the idea of
> > moving the Navajo to Pennsylvania. I don't think
> > they did it.
>
> ****GK: There were Wend collaborationists. I don't
> see
> why Germans should automatically be exempt from a
> tactic employed in many other contexts. Only careful
> examination can tell. No a priori exclusions.****
> >
> >
> > Torsten