Re: Mitanni and Matsya

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miguel Carrasquer Vidal" <miguelc@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Mitanni and Matsya


> On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:26:01 -0500, "Patrick Ryan"
> <proto-language@...> wrote:
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Miguel Carrasquer Vidal" <miguelc@...>
> >
> >> On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 15:22:02 -0500, "Patrick Ryan"
> >> <proto-language@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Miguel, why do you think that a 'laryngeal' must be reconstructed in
> >> >*werH1-ú-?
> >>
> >
> ><Miguel answered:>
> >
> >> As Pokorny goes on to say:
> >>
> >> ai. vári:man.- m. n. `Weite, Umfang', várivas- n. `Raum,
> >> Weite, Behaglichkeit', die eine schwere Basis voraussetzen.
> >>
> >
> >***
> >
> >Thank you for the prompt response.
> >
> >I was aware of these but my assumption was that *wer-H- was an alternate
> >stem for *wer-.
> >
> >I can easily see <várivas-> from *wer-H-u but <vári:man.> is past my
> >knowledge of Sanskrit.
> >
> >It cannot be regular, can it?
>
> These two forms reflect *werH-, without the *-u(n). They are
> extended with *-wes- and *-men- instead. The (syllabic)
> laryngeal shows up as -i- or -i:- (I discussed the latter
> form recently: in my opinion it represents the analogical
> merger of regular *wér&-mo:(n) obl. *wr.H-mén- > *várima:
> obl. *vri:mán.-, becoming vári:ma: obl. vári:man.-).
>
> In *wr.Hú ~ *urHú- (*varú- ~ urú-), the laryngeal is
> consonantal and sits in the syllable onset, so it disappears
> (after affecting the syllabic structure). I don't see any
> reason for Pokorny's insecurity about connecting the two
> sets of words.
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> miguelc@...

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If I am understanding you correctly, then the answer to my question about
<vári:man.> is that it _cannot_ derive from *wer(H)-u- but derives from
*werH-.

Now, is it not possible to see one root (*wer-) and a stem (*werH-)?


Patrick

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