From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 56576
Date: 2008-04-03
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From: david_russell_watson
> In Hurri,
>
> Varuna is uruwaanasiil [uruwanosil] Indra is indara [int?ara]
>
> To be frank, I can't believe a second that Hurri borrowed these
> words from Indic.
>
> It's the other way that sounds possible : Hurri > Indo-iranian.
>
> Indo-Iranians came empty-handed and got what they discovered on
> the spot.
Pretending, for a moment, that Varuna and Indra really are
loans from Hurrian,
DRW
NB :
DRW does not stand for
HighPressure Nuclear Plant.
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I didn't claim Varuna is a loan from Hurri
I wrote that the usual assertion that
Hurri uruwanaasiil is a LW from Indic
is obviously impossible for phonetic reasons.
I also consider that the same applies to
Indara [int?ara] because -d- in Hurri
points at [t?] glottalized stop.
I added in a different mail
that Varuna is not attested in Avestic.
So we can hypothesize that Varuna
is not inherited in Indic
and might be substratic.
Arnaud
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we still have all of these comparisons
besides:
Assura (Vedic Asura, Avestan Ahura)
Akni (Vedic Agni)
Miitra (Sanskrit & Avestan Mitra)
Nasattiia (Sanskrit Nasatya)
Suriiaas (Vedic Surya)
Maruttas (Vedic Marut)
aika - one (Sanskrit eka)
assusanni - a stableman (Sanskrit ac,vasani)
na, nawa - nine (Sanskrit nava)
panza - five (Sanskrit panca)
satta - seven (Sanskrit sapta)
tera, tiera, tri - three (Sanskrit tri)
wartanna - a turn, a turning (Sanskrit vartate 'he turns')
wasanna - a stadium;
babru - describing colours of horses (Sanskrit babhru 'brown')
parita - describing colours of horses (Sanskrit palita 'gray')
pinkara - describing colours of horses (Sanskrit pingala 'reddish')
marijannu - a charioteer, a young warrior (Vedic marya 'a young man,
a soldier');
Tirgutawiya - a woman's name
Abirattas - a king's name (Sanskrit abhi-ratha 'facing chariots')
Nobody is going to believe that _all_ of these are Hurrian
loans to Indo-Aryan as well, and so unarguably some Indo-
Aryan gods were adopted by Hurrians, even if we do indulge
your thinking that Indra and Varuna aren't Indo-Aryan.
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It does not address the phonetic problem
that Uruwanasiil can't be a LW of Varuna.
Arnaud
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The logical conclusion is obvious.
David
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What is your logical obvious conclusion ?
Arnaud
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