Re: Mitanni and Matsya

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Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Re: Mitanni and Matsya


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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Ryan
> > theonyms appearing in Mittani treatises, a good starting point could be
> > Paul
> > Thieme's old article at
> > http://tinyurl.com/2qktd5
> >
> > =====
> > Grazie Francesco.
> >
> > u'-ru-wa-na-ash-shi-il [?uruwana]
> > and
> > a-ru-na-shi-il [aruna]
> > are supposed to be read Varuna.
> >
> > Arnaud
> >
> > ============
> Do you have another better origin for Varuna to propose, Arnaud?
> Patrick
>
> ===========
>
> I have stated I believe Hurri [&ari] is PIE.
>
> If we look at real forms attested in Hurri
> ?uruwana and aruna
> I would try to make sense out of this
> with a mobile-stress root
>
> Stressed form :
> ?OruwAna (stress on O and secondary on A)
> Unstressed :
> ?°ru-na- (stress on suffix)
>
> Maybe Hoffman's suffix might help
> the one in charge H3_n of *?oru-
> hence ?oru-H3an-
> ?oru might be "height" ?
> Maybe "sky-carer" makes sense.
>
> I consider Varuna can't be derived
> from either Ouranos nor ?uruwana.
> Phonetics are impossible.
> But semantics is possible.
>
> Arnaud
>
> ===============

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What in Heaven's name is "&ari"?

And are you actually saying that Hurrian is PIE?

Perhaps my essay will cure you of that:

http://geocities.com/proto-language/c-Hurrian-Urartian-9.htm

Some of the cuneiform signs that read <'u> can also be read <ua>.

What is the subscript on the sign used to write <u'-ru-wa-na-ash-shi-il>?

You consider that "Varuna can't be derived from either Ouranos nor
?uruwana".

Who is his right mind could?????

But it is perfectly possible for all three to reflect PIE *weru-na.

I think you mean to say the "phonology is impossible".

Well, it is not impossible; it is actually quite feasible.

Others have preferred to look at idiocies like 'one who confines' for a
sea-god!

Or 'one who binds by oath'!

These are not functions of a sea-god. When Mitra became associated with
Varuna, he could well have _added_ the god of oaths function from Mitra, who
probably is a sun-god (the 'Measurer').

"Wide One' is a perfect name for a god of the waters.

In Greek circles, Ouranos' role as god of the waters was mostly forgotten as
a result of Aphrodite, the female god of the sea, taking his place.



Patrick

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