Re: Not "catching the wind " , or, what ARE we discussing?

From: george knysh
Message: 56472
Date: 2008-04-03

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>(GK) For what it's worth, the strings of defensive
oppida
> along the crests of the Thuringerwald and Rhon which
> Hubert notes as directed against the Germani does
not
> involve this Chattic territory (and these oppida
> existed from ca. 500 BCE to ca. 110 BCE). Also,
> Glauberg is pretty close to Chattiland.

Aha, so the Chatti were surrender monkeys? That would
make sense with
the later history with the Germani. Or did they just
retire to the hills?

****GK: "Chattiland" as you earlier described it,
viz., North Hesse near Kassel and surroundings. But it
seems that by the time of Tacitus (G., ch.30), it
might have englobed territory all the way to the
Hercynian Forest, which would include the old Celtic
Glauberg area. And if Hachmann thinks the Chatti's
earliest haunts were north of the Lippe, then he seems
to exclude them from his Late La Tene altogether...
It's beginning to look (on the basis of the material
you've provided) as though the Chatti moved south of
the Lippe pretty late. Perhaps as late as early CE
times...And if their material culture at that time was
what Hachmann calls "Elbe-Germanic", then the
population which moved south of the Lippe was one
already Germanized or in active process of being so.
Was the Nordwest Block "gobbled up" that quickly in
your scenario? Further: Pliny's categories would make
a lot of sense. But he would be referring to the new
Chatti, those who now occupied their new territory
south of the Lippe, and the Main valley too (that was
north of the H. For., unless Tacitus' geography
differed from Caesar's)*****



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