Re: Not "catching the wind " , or, what ARE we discussing?

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
(Arnaud):

> >
> > The odd thing about Kluge's Law is then
> > that this law is discovered in Germanic
> > but relates in fact to a Celtic Substrate.
>
> Why do you think they become Celtic by your
> decreeing them to be that?
>
> > Your repeated assertion that Chatti are not Celtic
> is unsupported.
>
> Your repeated assertions that points of view other
> than your own are
> unsupported are unsupported. My repeated assertion
> echoes the
> archaeologist O. Uenze. Read this again:
>

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/56384

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> > What opaque words do we know from Chatti ?
>
> I cite from
> Kuhn: Chatti und Mattium, die langen Tenues des
> Altgermanischen:
>
> Chatti (also Catti, later Hessen), their capital
> Mattium (now Maden),
> the town of Metze, the brook it's at
> Metzoff/Matzoff, the subtribe
> Chatt-uarii, later Hattuaria / Hatteron, Mattiaci,
> aquae Mattiacae,
> many town and field names in Hesse in Metz-, the
> personal names Arpus,
> Flanallus, Lives, Ramis, Gandestrius or
> Adgandestrius, Catu- or
> Actu-merus and Ucro-mirus, etc.
>
> In AngloSaxon we find the personal names Pælli,
> Pede, Peuf, Pleil,
> Piott, Ploesa, Podda, Puh and Puttoc (note, Brian:
> p- and geminate),
> obviously part of the ssame ethnic admixture.
>
>
> Torsten

****GK: Does Hachmann not argue that the area ascribed
above to the Chatti belongs to the archaeological
stretch which is under strong La Tene influence? Is it
also one of the territories which is "sui generis",
i.e. which while "strongly influenced by La Tene" is
nevertheless not to be identified with it, because it
has a material "structure" all its own?
We would also like to know if Hachmann et al. consider
this Kassel etc. territory to have exhibited
archaeological continuity in the centuries prior to
the recorded presence of the Chatti.
For what it's worth, the strings of defensive oppida
along the crests of the Thuringerwald and Rhon which
Hubert notes as directed against the Germani does not
involve this Chattic territory (and these oppida
existed from ca. 500 BCE to ca. 110 BCE). Also,
Glauberg is pretty close to Chattiland.****

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