--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much for this, Torsten.
>
> You're welcome, George, I know you'll reply in kind
> when I try to
> figure out the ethnosociogenesis of the Przeworsk
> people ;-)
>
>
> Torsten
****GK: What interested me here is whether it was
possible to reconcile the findings of Schumacher and
Hachmann with respect to the population of the
Wetterau in the early first c. BCE. Sch. (and I only
knew his views as recounted by Hubert) did not
actually say how far "north" of the Main these
"Germanic" villages were. His main point (with which
Hubert agreed) was that after the Cimbric episode
Celtic culture was seriously depleted here (i.e. in
the old La Tene area) and Celtic power practically
gone. He spoke of "phantoms of peoples". Does Hachmann
have anything to say about this particular issue?
Viz.,did the Przeworsk "foreigners" settle in areas
(Wetterau, Thuringia) which had been largely
depopulated by the end of the 1rst c. BCE? I confess
that I have some doubts about this, for two
reasons.(1) Had there been such a radical
depopulation, in such a flourishing area in terms of
economic possibilities, there would have been an
evident prior occupation by those groups whose path
had been seriously blocked for centuries by the
Volcae. But what if what happened after 113/109 BCE is
not "depopulation" but "transformation"? Peoples
adopting a new method for the protection of their
territory than the one which had been shown to be
ineffective, people who, while remaining Celtic (at
least for a time) as to language and tradition,
adopted more "nomadic" ways of life, abandoned the
"oppidum" culture, and managed to hold on for a couple
of generations while leaving little for subsequent
archaeology to discover? (2) Caesar says (DBG 6.24)
that the Volcae had retained possession of their
territory even as they adopted much of the way of life
of their "Germanic" neighbours.
And this was still the case in 53 BCE. Later, of
course, they would have been completely "germanized".
But fifty years after the Cimbric tidal wave (which
they had initially repulsed, but could not handle
"from the rear") they were apparently still there.****
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