tauros (was Re: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKI)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
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> From: etherman23
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> > *m_t "to give birth"
> > PIE ma:te:r
> > Eg m_s
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> The PIE word clearly comes from the nursery word *me or *ma with the
> famial suffix *h2ter.
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> What should this suffix be H2ter
> instead of -ter ?

father: *ph2ter
mother: *meh2ter
brother: *bHreh2ter
daughter: *dHugh2ter
brother's wife: *yenh2ter

Odd coincidence if *h2 is not part of the suffix.

> This approach makes any connection
> with gen-H1-ter impossible ?

Correct. This word derives from the root *genh1 with the actor suffix
*ter.

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> > *t&_b- "young bull"
> > PIE *tauros
> > Eg s_&_b
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> PIE *tauros is a Semitic borrowing, so useless for genetic
> correspondences and sound laws.
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> This is an interesting assertion to be discussed.
>
> On account of :
> Skrt sthu:ra with t-h-
> and Eg s_&_b with &
> there is a pharyngeal in this word,
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> No trace of it in
> Arabic thawr
> Hebrew sho:r
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> This is a LW from PIE into Semitic.

Eg s^sr (<*cVr perhaps)
Semitic t_awr
South Cushitic cawr

I'm skeptical but perhaps also related are:

Central Chadic ciw(ar) elephant
Low East Cushitic s^Vr (< *cVr) hippopotamus
Omotic s^awr (< *cawr) rhinoceros

Now that I look at this root again, perhaps it's Nostratic.

> And you can look at :
> Arabic baqar "cattle" < *pekw
>
> You are inverting the direction of LWs.

Semitic bak'ar
Berber buGir
West Chadic bak'ur
East Chadic barki

With metathesis
Central Chadic kVbVr
High East Cushitic kobir

This root is widespread enough that it's from PAA.

This might also be a Nostratic root. Cf. Altaic *phokhi ox