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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jouppe
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> You answered none of my two questions:
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> 1) Where did you take the idea that Finnic would have added second
> syllble stem vowels ad hoc to formerly monosyllable stems?
> Jouppe
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> It took it from Uralic data :
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I take this to mean that you take all the credit for your
reconstructions yourself. No reference to litterature?
Jouppe
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> When the word is CvC
> The last C falls in PErmic
> House : ka and ko
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> The first preliminary step for reconstruction
> is to collect data about the languages
>
> the second step is to look at the data.
>
> Is it too hard ?
> I can explain slower if you need it.
>
> ARnaud
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Here is the complete data for your "monosyllabic" PFU
stem 'house'(with some simplification of vowel translitteration):
Finnish: kota (koti)
Saami: goatte
Ersä: kudo
Moksha: kud
Mari (mountain): kud@
Mari (plain): kudo
Permic (Udmurt): kwala, kowa, kwa, -ka
Permic (Komi): kola, kë, këv, -kë, -ko, -ka, -ku
Ostyak: kat, xot, xat
Hungarian: ház
The material speks for itself.
Jouppe
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> 2) How do you argue such a development by analogy against language
> universal developments? (Here you should be at ease, you have 6000+
> languages to chose from, and I only know a dozen of them).
>
> Jouppe
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> What do you mean ?
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> This is completely irrelevant
> for the current issue about PU ?
>
> Arnaud
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Omission is a more likely development in the view of language
universals that additions. The former may be due to simple and common
sound laws called apocope. Additions normally needs some morphologic
element to add (cf. IE root-extensions). The supposition that Finnic
would just add on a meaningless /-i/ for the fun of it, is not in
line with good reconstruction principles. I also refer to the data
above. Finnic is not alone.
There was also no tendency towards disyllabic stems otherwise in
Finnic since many stems contracted to monosyllabic ones at the same
time. What would have propelled the addition of /-i/?
Jouppe