Re: Volcae/*Walh-

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 56042
Date: 2008-03-27

If you propose lenition for Belgic, then maybe, just
maybe, Belgae and Volcae could be related to "folk"
--although some try to link folk to populus. We once
had a battle royal over this years back


--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is what Wikipedia has to say re: etymology of
> > Volcae, but I think all of you could come up with
> > something better
> >
> > Traditional etymologies have attributed Volcae to
> a
> > word akin to Welsh golchi "to wash" and Irish folc
> "to
> > bathe" (Proto-Celtic *volkio:), making this tribe
> > the "river people" after a rough semantic
> adjustment.
> > A more likely scenario is that this or a cognate
> in
> > Pannonian Illyrian was used to name the river
> Volcos,
> > from which the Volcae took their name. C.W. von
> > Glück[19]derived the name from a word related to
> Old
> > Irish folg "agile, energetic".[20]
> > Most Celticists today seem to agree that the
> tribal
> > name Uolcae is related to Welsh gwalch "hawk" (and
> > they compare the Gaulish personal name Catuuolcus
> to
> > Welsh cadwalch "hero", literally "battle-hawk"),
> > though some prefer to translate Gaulish *uolco- as
> > "wolf" and, by semantic extension, "errant
> > warrior"[21]
>
> Catowolcus was leader of the Eburones, thus a
> Belgan.
>
>
> > The name Tectosages, literally
> "possession-seekers",
> > meant "claim-stakers", perhaps closer in sense to
> > "claim-jumper" or "land grabber", and a direct
> cognate
> > is found in Old Irish techtaigidir "he/she seeks
> to
> > (re)establish a land claim" [22].
>
>
>
> I wondered sometimes if there was lenition after all
> in some
> continental Celtic languages. That would make Belgae
> and Volcae
> cognate (rounding of /e/ to /o/ after /w/? ; but cf.
> Hercynia/Orcynia). The /w/ in Catuwolcus is between
> vowels as it
> should be, if so (on the other hand, no sign of
> lenition in the /t/).
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
>



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