Re: Finnish KASKI

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jouppe
>
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> The idea that Finnic would have added second syllble stem vowels ad
> hoc to formerly monosyllable stems seems very excentric
> or "innovative" to say the least, especially considering that the
> opposite development for the same time period is well documented:
> Finnic made Pre-Finnic disyllabic stems monosyllabic by vowel
> contraction after omission of 1) semivowels, 2) the velar nasal and
> 3) the laryngeal. I will not use the word pseudo-science until I

hear

> where Arnaud took this idea and how he argues such a development by
> analogy against language universal developments?
>
> Jouppe
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> Let's take a simple example :
> UEW 157 "nail"
>
> your reconstructoid *küncî "nail"
> My point of view : junk.
>
> Samoyed points toward *k_d- as the root.
> xada, koda, katu, kate, katte, kad, qati, kada, koda
>
> Now this root is obviously suffixed by -m-
> Motor : kada-m-
> AND
> the hungarian word köröm
> which is *absurdly* forgotten in the list.
> This data points toward
> *kud and *kud-mi-
> as pre-forms
> now we can add :
> Western Finno-Permic forms
> which originate in *kud-mi-c^a
>
> Hence
> Finnish kynsi
> Moksha kenz^ä
>
> When the structure of the pre-form
> is C_n-C, as is *kom-t "hand"
> there is no more -n- in Finno-Permic
>
> Compare :
> käd < kom-t
> kynsi < kud-mi-c^a
>
> Any -n- suggests more than one syllable.
>
> You are in the deepest dark.
> Pseudo-science is not on my side.
>
> Arnaud
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You answered none of my two questions:

1) Where did you take the idea that Finnic would have added second
syllble stem vowels ad hoc to formerly monosyllable stems?

(You frequently mention that Finnish "adds" an /-i/ because
Finnish "likes" /-i/. And i don't want to hear you confess that you
invented it yourself or took it from some notorious rotten
argumentation "paradigm shift" book).

2) How do you argue such a development by analogy against language
universal developments? (Here you should be at ease, you have 6000+
languages to chose from, and I only know a dozen of them).

Jouppe