Re: Taurisci and Przeworsk

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> > > > > I was wondering if the indirectly documented
> *Teuri- in
> > > > > the Czech lands might possibly be the same
> people as the
> > > > > Taurisci in Carinthia? If so, those Taurisci
> were the nearest
> > > > > Celtic people to Latènicize Przeworsk.
> > > >
> > > > GK: Polish archaeologists think it was the
> Celts of Silesia.
> > >
> > > Polish archaeologists should be reading Ptolemy.
> >
> > GK: What makes you think they didn't?
> Przeworsk
> > was formed in the course of the 3rd c. BCE with
> help
> > from the "Celts of Silesia" known only by their
> > material remains, and, possibly, by the name of
> the
> > God "Lug" which was occasionally used as a
> Vandalic
> > etiquette.
>
> ?? How did the Celtic god Lug enter into this?

****GK: As one of the Celtic contributions to the
formation of the Vandalic Lugii, of Przeworsk
culture.***

> Pliny mentions a king of the Suevi in Germania in 62
> BCE. In 59 BCE
> Ariovistus is king of the Germani. In 58 BCE he is
> the leader of the
> Suevi. What happened? Did their king die and they
> decided to join
> Ariovistus?

****GK: Ariovistus was recognized by the Romans as
"king" of all German groups in his newly acquired
Gaulish settlements. I can only guess at his prior
title(s). In 58 BCE the German Suevi (perhaps the
Semnones), led by two brothers (Nasuas and Cimberius
DBG 1.37) were getting ready to cross the Rhine.****

There is

> no
> > > > intimation in Caesar that Ariovistus had any
> > > > territories under his control except his
> Gallic
> > > > settlements.
> > >
> > > He was expecting 24,000 Harudes which he had to
> settle. Why would
> > > he have any obligation to do that if they were a
> > > foreign tribe? Why didn't he tell them to get
> lost? Why would he
> > > share the hard-won spoils of was otherwise?
> >
> > GK: Because, Torsten, "l'appetit vient en
> mangeant".
>
> The appetite for giving away stuff? You are not
> making any sense.
>
>
> > Ariovistus' intentions were well-divined by
> > Cicero's friend Divitiacus. Re-read DBG 1.31.****
>
> Yes. All the Germans. Not Ariovistus' own men.
> According to you
> Ariovistus was a petty warlord. Why should he
> suddenly acquire this
> philanthropic outlook and share with people he had
> no say over?
>
> What is this cause that you think Ariovistus felt he
> had in common
> with the Harudes and 'all the Germani'?

*****GK: Ariovistus stopped being a "petty warlord"
perhaps even before his victory over the Gauls at
Magetobria, when his invitations to transRhenan
Germans received enthusiastic responses from tens of
thousands. After Magetobria, he became a ruler with a
territory (1/3 of Sequani land) and by 58 BCE was
demanding more. As of 59 BCE he was given Roman
recognition. Divitiacus felt that Ariovistus was
developing imperial ambitions for the conquest of all
Gaul, and Caesar (perhaps as propaganda) mused about
him wanting to conquer Italy.*****

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> Torsten
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