Re: hoopoe

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From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] hoopoe


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Ryan
>
> Arnaud, Nostratic glottalized /t?s/ and aspirate /ts/ coalesced in
> Egyptian
> to /ts/.
>
> ===========
> No,
> *ts became Eg. s
> while *s became Eg. sh
>
> ts? became Eg. dj
>
> Arnaud
> ============

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How about, say, three examples of Nostratic *ts -> Egyptian <s>?

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>
> <D> was, I believe, pronounced /tsY/ -> /tS/ while <'> began as /ts/ but
> became probably /¿/ at an early date (probably through /?/).
> Patrick
> ========
> ???
> This does not make sense.
> You should have been in bed, old man.
>
> Arnaud
> ==========

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"old man"?

Would you like to be addressed as 'tadpole'?

Think about that one a minute.

In view of Cockney /?/ for /t/, it should not be so difficult to understand.


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<snip>

> ==========
>
> Nostratic /t?/ and /t/ coalesced in Egyptian to /t/.
>
> ============
> This is not true.
> I agree t? became t
> when the initial is not glottalized.
>
> Arnaud
> ============

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If you are not a little more conventional, no one will have any idea what
you are saying.

Watch for the signs.

Nostratic /t?/ + /t/ -? Egyptian /t/

Egyptian /t/ becomes Egyptian <d> (/t/) and <t> (/th/).

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> You need to emend PIE to pre-PIE.
>
> PAA *i/*a/*u = PIE *A (*e/ *o/ *°/ *Ø)
>
> ====
> I think we need to discuss this
> in a separate string.
>
> Arnaud
> ============

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Read up on Ablaut before we do, will you?

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> Not sure what you have in mind here.
>
> <3> = /r/; no relationship to /S/
>
> ===========
> Egyptian
> 3_w = Hausa ts?awo "length"
>
> Arnaud
> ==========

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In <3w>, /r(a)/ means 'tall'; Hausa <ts?awo> is quite possibly related to
Egyptian <D>, Nostratic *t?sa, 'body, long'.


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> <k> is a velar stop; <q> and <g> are velar nasals.
>
> Patrick
>
> =========
>
> <q> is a velar nasal ????
>
> Could you please confirm this ?
>
> Arnaud
>
> =================

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Egyptian <q> corresponds to PIE *(n)k^/*(n)g^ AND *(n)k/*(n)g

Egyptian <q> corresponds to PIE *(n)k/*(n)g

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