--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > > > GK: Perhaps Jordanes believed that Burebista's
> > > > great expedition against Critasirus went as
> far as
> > > > Raetia, which in his time was part of
> Frankish-ruled
> > > > Swabia. Not at all impossible.
> > >
> > > Erh, hm, well, perhaps not.
> >
> > GK: Particularly since Jordanes thought the
> Getae
> > (Dacians) were Goths(:=)))
>
>
> I think you mentioned that before?
****GK: This is standard knowledge.*****
On the other
> hand, if
> Goth/Geat/Jute is a substrate word which stands for
> some nondescript
> native population, Getae may belong there too.
****GK: The Getae of Jordanes were well known to
classical writers. There was nothing "nondescript"
about them. The Getae of BCE and I-II cs.CE were
Getae, not Goths. Their history was later "borrowed"
by Gothic historians. This too is absolutely standard
stuff, denial of which opens the doors wide to all
sorts of kookery.****
As
> you remember, in
> order to derive all Germanic from Thuringian
> Przeworsk
****GK: An absolutely kooky idea based on nothing but
fantasy.****
I made Berig et
> al. bring writing and the corresponding language to
> the illiterate
> Goths of Wielbark.
****GK: Yeah, sure. Snorri Sturluson, Heimskringla,
Ynglingasaga, ch. 7. Who remained as basically
illiterate as "Berig" was. Kookery compounded. There
is not a shred of evidence for any of these
"theories". Apart from Odinist lunacy, the occasional
presence of runes among pre-Christian Goths(nothing to
do with "Berig")is no proof of significant literacy or
literature.***
>
>
> Torsten
****GK: If I wanted to indulge in some kookery of my
own, I could argue (and this would be more solid in
its unprovable kookery than your notions of
Przeworsk-as-initial-Germanic or
Berig-the-language-and-literature-giver-to-the Goths)
that Torun was named after Thor by Teutonic Knights
who had just read Snorri's recently available work. I
prefer the standard view thank you.****
>
>
>
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