Re: hoopoe

Yes, Torsten, thank you.

It may be a better cognate for D(w)b, 'hoopoe', than *tap-.

I looked but could not find anything like <stuppa> in Pokorny.

Is it there and I missed it?

With Db (*Dwb), PIE *teup- would work much more satisfactorily.


Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [tied] hoopoe


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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps the words for tuft of hair, pompon and tutf of
> > tree --if they are related-- are from the word for
> > hoopoe, which definitely has a tuft in the picture.
> >
>
> You noticed it too? Perhaps the *dz could explain the s-mobile, st-/t-
> alternation in stuppa/top etc:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/54315
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> Torsten
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> One conspicuous feature of s-mobile,
> is that it's about the only phoneme that
> never assimilates :
> s +k > s-k
> but
> s + g > s-k as well
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> My own explanation is this :
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> LAte PIE fused *z and *dz
> (after Salish split off)
> or maybe *z and *dz disappeared
> altogether.
> But *ts did not fuse with *s
> immediately.
> They remained in contrast.
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> *ts could not assimilate into *dz
> because there was no *dz
> *ts was *locked-in* as unvoiced.
> Hence ts-g forced inverted assimilation
> because *dz-g was impossible
> (no dz in the system !)
> Hence ts-k which surfaces as *s-k
>
> But this is maybe too early to discuss
> because you haven't admitted *z and *dz yet.
>
> Arnaud
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