Re: dhuga:ter

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From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Re: dhuga:ter


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> Now
> *z = W PIE *H2 = E PIE *y
> Salish is s
> *dz = W PIE *H2 = E PIE *y
> Salish is ts
>
> *dzaw is earlier PIE
>
> Salish Klallam s-tsu-ng "wind"
> S-mobile
> Zero grade
> Suffixe -ng
> Skrt yaw-nika "soft wind"
> Pok H2_w-(H1) "wind"
>
>
> Arnaud
>
> =============

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OK.

You seem to be saying that

*dzaw is _earliest_ PIE for 'wind'

And you propose the following correspondences:

earliest PIE *dz = W PIE *H2 = E PIE *y = Salish *ts

presumably, you also want to propose

earliest PIE *w = W PIE *w = E PIE *w = Salish *w

As a potential example of these proposed correspondences, you offer:

earliest PIE *dzaw-, 'wind'

E PIE *yew- in <yau(-)nika>, 'soft wind'

W PIE *aw- (*H2_w-*H1), 'wind'

Salish Klallam <s-tsu-ng>, 'wind' (s-= s-mobile; -tsu- = zero-grade of
tsVw; -ng = (undefined suffix)


In order for this to be 'proved', you must

1) show several examples of the correspondences proposed for both consonants
(*dz and *w), preferably in initial and final positions, for the four
languages: earliest PIE, E PIE, W PIE, Salish;

2) explain the relationship of the vowel earliest PIE *a to the vowels or
lack of vowels in the other three languages;

3) show several examples of s-mobile in Salish;

4) show several examples of -ng as a suffix in Salish, and try to explain
its usage;

5) explain how zero-grade manifests itself in Salish, and give several
examples;

a) explain stress-accent patterns in Salish with examples;


6) explain the nature (phonological causal factors) of the correspondences
among the four languages.

And there are other minor positions on other questions (like the arboreal
relationship of PIE to Salish) to be established.


As you can see, your proposal does not even merit discussion until you have
met these other necessary criteria.

In fact, it _cannot_ be intelligently discussed without them.

If you want anyone to take you at all seriously, you have an enormous amount
of work ahead.


Patrick