Re: Kossack's Conclusions

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > I just noticed that since Czarnetski thinks it might
> > be either of
> > Slavic descent, referring to Rospond, or Germanic
> > descent, referring
> > to Rymut and Warchol/ and the source you cite claims
> > it must be
> > Slavic, referring to the authority of Rospond, I
> > would be grateful if
> > you might quote relevant passages from the two other
> > sources too?
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> >
> > Torsten
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> ****GK: There are alternate etymologies in the Wiki
> "Torun" article. Have a look. I suspect that the
> Germanic etymologies all have to do with the town
> founded in 1233. This is possible because we don't
> apparently know the name of the Slavic/Polish
> settlement which existed there from ca. 600 CE. So the
> German etymologies argue for the original German
> source of the 1233 "Thorn" and the Polish etymologies
> try to figure out what this "Thorn" might have been in
> the period 600-1233. But it may have been called by an
> entirely different name then! In any case, none of
> this really matters for your thesis, because there
> seems to have been no settlement there of any sort
> between ca. 400 BCE and ca. 600 CE. So anyone
> "starting out" from that spot (if they did which is
> more than wholly doubtful) in the 1rst c. BCE would
> hardly call themselves after a name which did not
> arise (certainly) for another 1300 years or (possibly)
> for another 650 or so...****

I could add another Germanic etymology: OLG turn, MLG torn, Late ON
turn, corresponding to OHG turri, turru, MHG turn, turm, OE torr
"tower", from Lat. turris etc. The -m in German Turm must have kept
that one out of etymologists' minds.

But, on the other hand, place names even of deserted places can stay,
if they have a sufficiently good story to them. Since we are in that
end of the history of the Hermunduri, there might be a connection to
the Taurisci?


Torsten