Re: Kossack's Conclusions

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> > (continued)
> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > > > The "new Marcomanni" in Bohemia must have
> > > > incorporated large Germanic populations upon
> > > > relocation there.
> > >
> > > I don't think so. Weren't they the first Germani
> > > there?
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic
> >
> > GK: That's what I mean. By "incorporation" I
> refer
> > to other Germanic tribal units which moved to
> Bohemia
> > at Marbod's invitation between 8 BCE and 5 CE, and
> > probably later too (I agree, of course,that Marbod
> was
> > the 'great mover' here, that's what the sources
> say),
> > not to groups "in situ".
>
> There was an invitation? I get the impression,
> Marbod, who grew up in
> Italy (Strabo), was careful not to provoke the
> Romans too much,

****GK: Well, Strabo does say that "Boihaemum[was GK]
the domain of Marabodus, the place whither he caused
to migrate, not only several other peoples, but in
particular the Marcomanni, his fellow-tribesmen"
(7.1.3)****

and

> that his wariness towards the Romans wasn't shared
> with eg. the
> Hermunduri,

****GK: Velleius Paterculus (II, 108)thought him a
careful and far-thinking enemy :"conceiving in his
mind the idea of a definite empire and royal powers,
he [Maroboduus GK]resolved to remove his own race far
away from the Romans and to migrate to a place where,
inasmuch as he had fled before the strength of more
powerful arms, he might make his own all powerful.
Accordingly, after occupying the region we have
mentioned, he proceeded to reduce all the neighbouring
races by war, or to bring them under his sovereignty
by treaty." It is Maroboduus who created what you
have called the "Suevian confederation", although this
was a much looser type of "alliance" than implied by
the term. The Hermunduri were in his orbit (off and
on), as Suebians.****


or his reticence towards same didn't

> meet with much
> understanding among the Cherusci, both peoples he
> ended up in war
> with.

****GK: The Hermunduri did not war with Maroboduus,
but with Catualda, who had overthrown him... The
Cherusci were never part of his "Suebian
confederation" (to use your term)****


BTW, Catualdus might be *Kat-wald- "Chatti

> ruler".

****GK: He was nevertheless a Goth.****

I was

> wondering also if Hoby might be *Hod-by "Chatti
> village", there are
> some Hodby's in England.
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
>

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