Re: Torsten's theory reviewed

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> > <gknysh@> wrote:
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> > > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > > > > Ariovistus himself only says that his own
> > > > > people (the original 15,000 of what had become a
> > > > > "German" force of some 120,000 by 58 BCE) had been in
> > > > > Gaul since ca. 72 BCE,
> > > > OK.
> > > > > and that they had left their
> > > > > home AND THEIR PEOPLE to seek success in Gaul.
> > > >
> > > > Where in DBG?
> > >
> > > GK: DBG 1.44.2: "transisse* Rhenum sese non sua
> > > sponte, sed rogatum et arcessitum* a Gallis; non
> > > sine* magna* spe magnisque praemiis* domum propinquosque
> > > reliquisse; "
> >
> > He. A. talks of himself. And 'propinquos' "those
> > nearest" are his
> > relatives.
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> ****GK: DBG 1.36.6-7: "neminem secum* [=Ariovistus
> GK]sine sua pernicie contendisse. [7] Cum vellet,
> congrederetur*: intellecturum quid invicti Germani,
> exercitatissimi in armis, qui inter* annos XIIII
> tectum non subissent, virtute possent." He is talking
> about himself and his troops. Ditto in 1.44. And
> "propinqui" means "neighbours" as well as "relatives".
> An army of 15,000 has plenty of both. EMDW.****

1.44 'Ariovistus briefly replied to the demands of Caesar; but
expatiated largely on his own virtues, "that he had crossed the Rhine
not of his own accord, but on being invited and sent for by the Gauls;
that he had not left home and kindred without great expectations and
great rewards..."'. sese ... transisse acc cum inf "that he (himself)
had crossed", rogatum, arcessitum m.acc.sg. He talks of himself only.


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