--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> Aha. So 'the Suebian cult community and the "Elbe
> Germanic" culture
> are to a large extent identical'? How does that
> rhyme with the 'fact'
> that the Elbe Germani are Jastorf? The Suebi aren't
> Jastorf.
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>
> Torsten
****GK: Since Hachmann cites Tacitus about the Suebi
he should be aware that Tacitus' Suebia included not
only the tribes which lived in the basin of the Elbe,
but also those further east (except for the
Bastarnians). The Suebians (in the view of Tacitus)
would hence be identifiable with more than one
archaeological culture, in space as well as in time.
The view that 'the Suebian cult community and the
"Elbe
> Germanic" culture
> are to a large extent identical' is strictly
Hachmann's, and clearly conflicts with Tacitus as well
as with Caesar. Hachmann also confuses geographical
and archaeological categories. Clearly in the time of
Caesar most of the Elbe Germani were not of "Elbe
Germanic" but of Jastorf culture. This did not prevent
them (or Przeworsk culture Germani for that matter)
from being "Suebians". When the Jastorf culture
disappeared, it merely meant that those Suebians who
had previously been associated with it had adopted a
new culture, that of their southern "Elbe Germanic"
relatives. It did not mean that they were not Suebians
before. Nor did it mean that the groups which
continued to be of Przeworsk or indeed of Wielbark
culture had ceased to be Suebians, Hachmann's
arbitrary restriction notwithstanding. "Suebi" is a
large ethnic identifier. It refers to all Germanic
populations east of the Chatti, Chauci, and Cimbri. It
is a label, as Tacitus states, which applies to more
than one "nation", indeed to more than one half of
"Germania".****
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