From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 55076
Date: 2008-03-12
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From: Patrick Ryan
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The zero-grade, for anyone but our resident nilist, of *dhe(:)H- is *dh&-.
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I have too many core beliefs
to ever consider becoming nihilist
or cultural relativist.
My phonological point of view is :
e grade : dheH1
o grade : dhoH1
unstressed e : dh°H1
zero grade : dhH1 > -t-
For PIE stage.
Unstressed and zero grade
is not the same
(as proved long ago
by Kurylowicz)
Reinterpretation of dh°H1 or -t-
as dhe is Greek not PIE.
I think some confusion arises
when people project on the
screen of PIE (unduly project)
morphological systems (like Greek)
that display innovative features.
I consider that
Greek zero grade *the (short)
is a late Greek analogical
back-formation from the: (long)
Rewrite Greek the as *dhH1
and project that thing in PIE
I hold this maneuver as *flawed*
and illegitimate.
Greek tends to apply
long/ short to any vowel.
Arnaud
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As for -dh- and -d-, why do you not prove Pokorny wrong, Arnaud? So easy for
you since everyone else is wrong a priori.
Patrick
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I don't think everyone else is wrong
otherwise I would not need or request
being here.
And there is no real discussion
if everybody thinks the same
this is a forum not a sect.
When it comes to you, especially,
you are right to think that very little of
whatever you write, I hold as worthy.
But it's a statement about *you*
and you are not *everyone* else.
I don't think Pokorny is "wrong",
it's outdated and very often
I consider that the "roots"
are not sorted out in the
most adequate fashion.
But it remains useful.
To be Handled with care.
Arnaud
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