Re: Grimm shift as starting point of "Germanic"

On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:22:34 +0100, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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>>I find it hard to swallow
>>that a "weak" consonant such as *n
>>could provoke gemination of stops.
>
>Gemination before a resonant is quite common. A good example
>is Catalan <poble>, <segle>, pronounced /pobble/, /seggle/
>(or /pople/, /sekle/).
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>I suppose you mean [pob:le] = /poble/
>But it's irrelevant to put on the same level
>Germanic sta-kk- with phonemic status
>and Catalan [pob:le] which is just
>a contextual variant of phoneme /b/.

Yes, that's the first step. Next, lose the /l/ and you have
a phoneme (as in Mall. dobbés).

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>
>Guus Kroonen's analysis, with which I agree, is:
>
>PGmc. N. *steko:, G. *stukkaz [or *stakkaz --mcv] < PIE
>*stégh-o:n, G. *stgh-n-ós
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>Watkins has *steg- instead of stegh-.

Watkins has *stegh- too.

>What about the word thane < *teknon ?
>if contact between any velar K and -n-
>trigger -kk-n,
>why is it that thane is not thekk- ?

I don't know. *teknós should have given *þekkaz, *téknos
would have given *þehnaz. Perhaps PIE *tetkno-?

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