--- "fournet.arnaud" <
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wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: george knysh
>
>
>
> Torsten is incapable of demonstrating how the
> Bastarnians, or the Goths became "Germanics" on the
> basis of his theory of Przeworsk origins for
> Germanic.
> Indeed he is incapable of demonstrating something
> even
> more basic: how Przeworsk itself became Germanic.
> And
> Przeworsk (Vandalic/Lugian/Suebian) is just as
> extinct
> as Bastarnian. And just as Germanic
> (linguistically!)
> as Bastarnian, if we are to believe Tacitus.And why
> shouldn't we?
>
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>
> What is Przeworsk in your opinion ?
> I read it's about the same as Zarubintski.
>
> A.
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****GK: Recent archaeological literature suggests that
various "Pre-Roman period" cultures on the territory
of East-Central and Eastern Europe previously occupied
by "Lusatian" and "Scythian" cultures are the result
of Celtic (less intense) and Germanic (more
intense)migrations towards the east and southeast.
Various mixtures with "locals" took place, producing
new societies in which Germanic quickly became the
leading tongue (this conclusion is reached via
retroactive analysis: a "common culture" by the time
historical data becomes available, resulting from
early co-existence of various cultural forms,incoming
and local). Thus Poeneshti-Lukashowka (in Moldavia)
has long been held to be the archaeological equivalent
of the Bastarnae. Recently it has been argued that the
closely related Zarubynets'ka culture of Western
Ukraine should also be viewed as Bastarnian.
Przeworsk, in this light, is the archaeological
equivalent of the Vandalic peoples, and Oksywie of the
earlier Goths. All these cultures have a more or less
significant Jastorf component, and differ from each
other because of the local elements,among other
factors. The unifying thread is that the "Germanic"
identifier and community welder came from the Jastorf
culture, and in the case of the Goths also from the
cultures of Gotland and Sweden. The Jastorf "drang"
begins about the end of the 4th c. BCE, the
Scandinavian "drang" a little earlier.****
>
>
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