On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:56:29 +0100, "fournet.arnaud"
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fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:
>>To eat *H1ed :
>>Basque Hel Hal
>
>Which specific Basque word(s) are you referring to?
>"To eat" in Basque is jan, from *e-an(-i), verbal root *an.
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>Hel "to bite".
>It's not difficult to find it in the dictionary.
Actually, it is. It's not in Azkue under EL, HEL, although
it can be found under ELDU, HELDU (1) mûrir, (2) saisir, (3)
arriver, (4) venir, (5) visite, (6) appartenir, (7)
secourir, (8) mordre, (9) s'enflammer (blessure), (10)
personne mûre, sensée.
>A.
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>
>>PIE *r is Basque z and Etruscan s :
>>
>>House : gher
>>Etruscan casa
>>Basque etche < ekze < keze
>
>Basque etxe is a borrowing from Celtic *tegi "house" (PIE
>*tek-). Modern Basque has the suffix -tegi, -egi "house,
>place" (e.g. ardotegi < ardano + tegi "wine-house", harregi
>< harri + tegi "stony place"). As an independent word, we
>would expect *tegi > *egi, the diminutive of wich is *teg-xe
>> etxe.
>
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>I suppose you imply that
> Etruscan too is a Celtic loanword
Of course not. 'casa' is not even Etruscan.
>tegi > tki Plus diminutive -sa
>hence tki-sa > casa
>(Plus a couple of impossible
>phonetic manipulations
>on top of the fancy)
>
>tegi-xe > etxe !!!!!
>(I will refrain from
>expressing what I think)
I hate to spoil your fun, but that's just how composition
works in Basque. Words ending in -i drop the vowel in
compound words (examples from Trask tHoB pp. 184-190):
harri "stone" + -gin "maker" => hargin "stonecutter"
herri "country" + beste "other" => herbeste "foreign
country"
If dropping the -i makes the word end in a plosive (no
Basque lexical items --except <bat> "1"-- otherwise end in
plosives), the plosive turns into *t:
before vowels:
begi "eye" + ile "hair" => betile "eyelash"
+ azal "skin" => betazal "eyelid"
gurdi "cart" + abere "animal" => betabere "draught animal"
ardi "sheep" + ile "hair" => artile "wool"
argi "light" + izar "star" => artizar "morning star"
sagu "mouse" + itsu "blind" => satitsu "shrew"
+ andere "lady" => satandre "weasel"
erdi "half" + hordi "drunk" => ertordi "tipsy" (Souletin)
before sibilants:
begi "eye" + sein "boy" => betsein "pupil (of eye)"
ogi "bread" + zare "basket" => otzara "basket" (Bizkaian)
ardi "sheep" + -zain "guardian" => artzain "shepherd"
ogi "bread" + sein "boy" => otsein "servant"
[and obviously: *egi "house" + -xe "(diminutive)" => etxe]
before plosives:
begi "eye" + buru "head" => *betburu => bepuru "eyebrow"
+ gain "top" => *betgain => bekain "eyebrow"
idi "ox" + -(t)egi "house" => *it(t)egi => itegi "stable"
gurdi "cart" + bide "road" => *gurtbide => gurpide "road"
ogi "bread" + -gin "maker" => *ot-gin => okin "baker"
ardi "sheep" + min "tongue" (< *bini) => art-bin => arpin
"plantain"
If you have any other questions about Basque, don't hesitate
to ask.
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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
miguelc@...