Re: Re[4]: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKA

Shamefully, nearly the entire American educational establishment.

Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKA


> So, would that be the Bush appointees at the Dept. of
> Educations you're talking about? I'm curious about
> those nihilistics anarchists and would like to meet
> one.
>
> --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
>
> > If the purpose for which words are intended is
> > transmission of ideas, i.e.
> > communication, then acknowledging the validity of
> > two _contradictory_
> > definitions for a word like 'posit' is a giant step
> > backward in linguistic
> > evolution.
> >
> > For a penultimate time, I am _not_ talking about
> > linguistics but rather
> > grammar and vocabulary and pronunciation that used
> > to be taught
> > prescriptively as the means to unambiguous and
> > effective communication.
> >
> > "Improper" is this context is the acceptance of any
> > usage which impedes that
> > process - like contradictory definitions for a word.
> >
> > You are living in a dreamworld. There are no
> > dogmatic grammarians teaching
> > in American education these days, more is the pity.
> > They are labeled
> > "undemocratic" and "elitist" by the nihilistic
> > anarchists who guide US
> > educational aims and policy.
> >
> > And because no standards for anything are being
> > taught, let alone enforced,
> > we have now a few generations of really uneducated
> > and rudderless youth who
> > cannot compete successfully except in ruthlessness
> > with properly educated
> > and trained non-American youth.
> >
> > If you are unaware of any of this, then you are a
> > part of the problem not
> > the solution.
> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKA
> >
> >
> > > Ahhh, improper according to whom? Linguistics is
> > > descriptive, dogmatic grammarians are
> > prescriptive.
> > >
> > > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Where definition #1 and definition #2 contradict
> > > > each other, I do not think
> > > > it is I who am out of step to reject definition
> > #2
> > > > as improper.
> > > >
> > > > I miss out on nothing to not accept improper
> > usage.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
> > > > To: "Patrick Ryan" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:12 AM
> > > > Subject: Re[4]: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > At 11:33:05 PM on Monday, February 25, 2008,
> > > > Patrick Ryan
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
> > > > >
> > > > > >> At 10:21:31 PM on Monday, February 25,
> > 2008,
> > > > Patrick Ryan
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> We do not "posit" in linguistics.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> We most certainly do.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> AHD4 s.v. <posit>, definition 2: 'to put
> > > > forward, as for
> > > > > >> consideration or study; suggest'.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> M-W Online s.v. <posit>, definition 3: 'to
> > > > propose as an
> > > > > >> explanation'.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I usually go by #1 definitions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then you miss out on a great deal of perfectly
> > > > normal,
> > > > > unexceptionable English.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The #2 definition is just another symptom
> > that
> > > > our
> > > > > > teachers are afraid to teach, and are
> > willing to
> > > > accept
> > > > > > any sloppy meaning or pronunciation or
> > grammar
> > > > or
> > > > > > vocabulary as 'usage'.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the contrary, it's a perfectly normal use
> > of
> > > > the word.
> > > > > You're the one who's out of step here.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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