Re: Finnish KASKA

Not by me.


Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKA


> Isn't Mayani considered a mad man?
>
> --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
>
> > Do you think
> >
> >
> http://geocities.com/proto-language/c-ETRUSCAN-13_table.htm
> >
> > makes any contribution in that direction?
> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKA
> >
> >
> > > It's interesting and we definitely have to step
> > back
> > > from IE to appreciate it. My intuition is that
> > > Etruscan is more likely to be related to IE than
> > to a
> > > N Caucasian language but it's just that and you've
> > got
> > > a lot more work to do.
> > >
> > > --- etherman23 <etherman23@...> wrote:
> > > > > *deH2 to divide, itu to divide
> > >
> > > root of ides?
> > >
> > > . . .
> > >
> > > > > *H1neun nine, nurpH nine
> > > -r is from where? Some type of suffix meaning
> > what?
> > > . . .
> > > > > *dHeu to pass away, lup to have lived, to die
> > > So Etruscan did the /d/ > /l/ thing? --which I've
> > seen
> > > on a website as attributed to Sabellic
> > >
> > > . . .
> > >
> > > > > *yeu youth, hus child
> > > Etruscan kept its laryngeals or what?
> > >
> > > . . .
> > > >
> > > > My reconstructions for each of the above are:
> > > > *?nu(G, m, n) nine The reconstruction in PIE is
> > > > complicated. It's
> > > > usually reconstructed with a final *n but some
> > have
> > > > argued for a *m. t
> > > > might have been variable. The Greek from looks
> > > > compatible with a final
> > > > *H2. IMO final *H3 merged with final *H2, which
> > > > leaves open the
> > > > possibility of a final *H3. As we see in the
> > root
> > > > for "to give"
> > > > non-initial PIE *H3 corresponds with Etr r. The
> > pH
> > > > in Etr is
> > > > analogical from sempH.
> > >
> > > OK, how do we get from /H3/ > /r/ --what other
> > > languages do that?
> > > >
> > > . . .
> > > >
> > > > *yus' child The loss of the ejective spirant is
> > > > regular in PIE as is
> > > > its merger with s in Etr (4 other cognates
> > exist).
> > > > I'll grant that
> > > > this is the only example of *y~h. I've
> > postulated
> > > > this as coming from
> > > > PIT *y, but there is another possibility. It may
> > > > come from PIT *xW (>
> > > > h in Etr) with an irregular PIE development of
> > *xW >
> > > > *xJ by
> > > > dissimilation > *y.
> > > OK this answers my question above, sort of
> > > . . .
> > > >
> > > > Have you been enslaved by Greenberg and Ruhlen's
> > > > look-alike methodology?
> > > >
> > > > > ***
> > > > >
> > > > > But, let us say that PIE *du (zero-grade) =
> > > > Etruscan <t(h)u>
> > > > formally, which
> > > > > I do not belive.
> > > > >
> > > > > What evidence do you have that *du ever meant
> > > > 'one' or anything like it?
> > > >
> > > > Because PIE *dwo: is a dual formation. A dual of
> > > > what? If we undualify
> > > > two we get one. Two ones are two. 1+1=2, does
> > it
> > > > not?
> > >
> > > You're gonna hafta do better than that. Think
> > along
> > > the lines of *sem- "one" but also "whole" whence
> > > English same, sum, etc. The dual of "whole' would
> > be
> > > "2". But make it more sophisticated than my
> > > suggestion. And yes, you will hafta find a word
> > like
> > > *dwo- meaning "one, whole, same, sum, total, etc."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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